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Proposals, September 2017

{{Fiordland-geo-stub}} and {{Fiordland-river-stub}}

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Though not strictly necessary yet, stub templates for Fiordland in New Zealand would be useful and worth partially splitting. There are (over two categories) some 210 stubs for the parent Category:Southland, New Zealand geography stubs, and at least 95 of them relate to Fiordland. I'm proposing templates and a Category:Fiordland geography stubs. There aren't *quite* enough for a separate Fiordland river stubs subcat, but it's close, so they'd double upload to Fiordland geo and Southland river cats. Grutness...wha? 01:08, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Trenton, New Jersey stubs

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I propose creating Category:Trenton, New Jersey stubs/{{TrentonNJ-stub}} - I have a list of 75 stubs for this city. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:21, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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Split of large actor categories

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There are three actor categories currently in the oversized list. Propose splitting these by stage / screen / voice. I'm asking to create all of these templates, and as many of the categories as the article counts will allow (60+).

Dawynn (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dawynn: I've edited your proposal to include PetScan stub counts, and have added a few categories - I hope you don't mind. I thought they were pretty logical additions, but feel free to revert if you feel otherwise. After counting, looks like it doesn't make sense to make Category:Indian voice actor stubs or Category:Japanese stage actor stubs -Furicorn (talk) 03:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. ISTR that India's film industry is further divided by language - is that worth considering here as well? Grutness...wha? 06:10, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support as revised by Furicorn. Indian films are indeed classified by language, but according to current WP categories, Indian actors are not. Her Pegship (talk) 00:33, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
    • OK - in that case, ignore my comment :) Grutness...wha? 00:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Saint Paul, Minnesota stubs

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I propose creating Category:Saint Paul, Minnesota stubs/{{SaintPaulMN-stub}} - I have a list of 74 stubs for this city already. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:51, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm done with the list, and have 85 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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Split of Category:African athletics biography stubs

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Propose splitting the overlarge African athletics biography stubs category according to regions. Propose following the regions established by the Confederation of African Athletics. The new categories will all be parent-only.

Dawynn (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Annapolis, Maryland stubs

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I propose creating:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:20, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Finnish diplomat stubs

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Currently there are 19 articles 73 stubs falling under this category that I can find through PetScan. More than 100 articles created by Mannerheimo in the month of September, are also falling under this category. Hitro talk 16:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Support, creation of the category as well as creation of {{Finland-diplomat-stub}}. I edited your comment to reflect the 73 stubs that fall under Category:Finnish diplomats - seems like a lot of them are currently tagged with {{Europe-diplomat-stub}} -Furicorn (talk) 18:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Baton Rouge, Louisiana stubs

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I propose creating:

A full list can be found at User:Od Mishehu/BR. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Clothing retailers of the United Kingdom, Luke 1977 stub

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I propose to create a stub on Luke 1977 - a popular clothing retailer in the UK. This would sit as a stub sub-category page beneath the main category: Clothing retailers of the United Kingdom - which has 146 stubs. User talk:Fewey1 09;57, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

As to creating a stub on Luke, that's not here; we don't handle the creation of stubs, only sorting them. As to vreating a stub category for Category:Clothing retailers of the United Kingdom, there are 146 articles in this category, but not all are stubs; a scan finds only 36. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Des Moines, Iowa stubs

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I propose creating Category:Des Moines, Iowa stubs/{{DesMoinesIA-stub}} - I have a list of 67 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

I am curious, why do you prefer to make city stub groupings vs county stub groupings? For instance, why not create Category:Polk County, Iowa stubs? Or is that just the standard for the types of stubs your working on? -Furicorn (talk) 09:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
With the exception of geography and NRHP stub categories, county-level stub types are rare. Please note, for example, that in Category:California stubs, we have 4 city top-level stub categories, but no county top-level stub categories other than San Francisco (which is both a city and a county). The major exceptions are cities which are also counties (such as San Francisco), and the boroughs of New York City. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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Wisconsin Regional Stub groupings

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The result of the debate was create with lowercase g.
I'd like to propose the following five regional categories for Wisconsin based on the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources regions.

  1. Category:Northern Wisconsin geography stubs - 465 stubs
  2. Category:Northeast Wisconsin geography stubs - 497 stubs
  3. Category:South Central Wisconsin geography stubs - 376 stubs
  4. Category:Southeast Wisconsin geography stubs - 201 stubs
  5. Category:West Central Wisconsin geography stubs - 463 stubs

In the following collapsed table, I've included two possible versions of the proposed structure of the groupings. Some metropolitan areas have already been created as stub sub-categories, and I would mildly propose dismantling these smaller groupings to reduce confusion for people doing stub catting, as reflected in the first proposal. The second proposal retains the smaller groupings and moves them to the appropriate region. Although I think the first option is probably better from an administrative standpoint, I will reiterate that I would ultimately fine with either version of the categorization.

I guess I overlooked signing this initially, but I posted it on 2017.09.16. -Furicorn (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

support second proposal (keeping urban areas), tentatively (I know little of how you'd divide up Wisconsin. BTW, the category names should have lower-case "g"s in geography! Grutness...wha? 06:08, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
(proposed categories edited to suit :) Grutness...wha? 03:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Honolulu stubs

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I propose creating Category:Honolulu stubs/{{Honolulu-stub}} - I have a list of 105 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:48, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Support -Furicorn (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Tallahassee, Florida stubs

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I propose creating Category:Tallahassee, Florida stubs/{{TallahasseeFL-stub}} - I have a list of 128 stubs for this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:24, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Support -Furicorn (talk) 21:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Phoenix, Arizona stubs

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I propose creating:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:29, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Support. Grutness...wha? 01:39, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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Category:United Kingdom geology stubs

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There are now over sixty stubs marked with {{UK-geology-stub}}, and many other articles that could take that template - plus the existing Category:United Kingdom geologic formation stubs forms a natural subcat. Speedy? Grutness...wha? 00:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Support, and additionally it might make sense to consider a similar treatment for Category:Australian geology stubs since it has 76 stubs -Furicorn (talk) 07:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Not quite sure what you mean - Australia already has its own category. Grutness...wha? 00:25, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I think I initially misunderstood the proposal, so ignore my comment about Australia (although I still support this proposal). -Furicorn (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Support I like this, it would allow categorization of quite a few of what I generally call 'landforms', like Tors. A Guy into Books (talk) 08:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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Brunei government stubs

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The result of the debate was create upmerged template.
Proposal for speedy creation S2 for {{Brunei-gov-stub}}. There are currently three members under Category:Brunei government stubs (should be four but somehow this category in one of the pages was deleted by some user)) but there should be more since articles on the Brunei Government are currently underrepresented. Based on my local knowledge there are at least a dozen cabinet-level 'ministries' in the government, but only four of them have Wikipedia articles. Similarly, there are also many more departments under them but only a few of them have related pages. At present, I plan to create as many stubs on the related matter as possible, with introductory information, so that it is easier for me and other users to add more information on them whenever relevant sources are obtained.Zulfadli51 (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

a template certainly seems speediable - but linked to Category:Brunei stubs and Category:Asian government stubs for now - if it rises to 60 or more stubs, then a separate category will also be speediable. Grutness...wha? 00:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree, if there are only 3 stubs, then {{Brunei-gov-stub}} should be upmerged to Category:Brunei stubs and Category:Asian government stubs until enough stubs exist to breakout the stand-alone category. -Furicorn (talk) 07:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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Japanese Regions groupings for regions (per backlog)

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I'm hoping to help clear out the backlog on this page, so I hope I'm doing it right. Category:Wikipedia stub sorting backlog lists Category:Japan geography stubs as part of the backlog. List of regions of Japan lists eight traditional regions, which seem like they might be good fits for regional stub categories. Here is how I propose we regroup the prefecture geography stubs.

Almost all the categories have at least 60 stubs catted directly and those few that don't have 60 direct stubs have at least one subcategory. -Furicorn (talk) 05:57, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Update - to be clear, the purpose of this proposal is in order to resolve the {{stub-sorting-backlog|75}} template currently applied to the category -Furicorn (talk) 16:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The first region is Category:Hokkaidō geography stubs. No need for a parent region-level category here - just like we don't have a county-level stub category for Category:San Francisco geography stubs like we do for the rest of the state of California. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I was trying to say with my comment next to the Hokkaido category, but I guess it wasn't clear enough. Glad you agree tho. -Furicorn (talk) 08:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
I see it, uses the 'ō' character, no 'o'. I've edited to reflect. -Furicorn (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Weak oppose - given that all but a handful of Japanese geo-stubs are now in one of the prefecture categories, do we have any need for regional parents? It seems like it would simply add an extra, unnecessary layer in the hierarchy. Category:Japan geography stubs looks fine as it is - you (or you and others) have done a great job of tidying it! Grutness...wha? 01:57, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Grutness: It was not me, I was just trying to cleanup Category:Wikipedia stub sorting backlog. This sounds like a counter-proposal to remove {{stub-sorting-backlog}} from Category:Japan geography stubs? -Furicorn (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
@Furicorn: Not really. The template is often used on categories which fill up rapidly with undersorted stubs. It doesn't necessarily mean new categories are needed, just that some of the stubs in there need further sorting - which often happens with country-level geo-stubs. Given the number of subcategories that are in Category:Japan geography stubs, the threshold for reporting a backlog's probably a bit low. I'll re-set it to 100, which should ease the problems. Grutness...wha? 00:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
@Grutness: ok, I think we can close this request then. -Furicorn (talk) 07:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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Montgomery, Alabama stubs

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I propose creating Category:Montgomery, Alabama stubs/{{MontgomeryAL-stub}} - I have 61 stubs for this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

What would be the parent of this? Category:Alabama stubs? -Furicorn (talk) 01:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, just like the parent of Category:Sacramento, California stubs is Category:California stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:18, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Support, this seems to make a lot of sense -Furicorn (talk) 00:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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English church stubs

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I propose creating:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:04, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

If we have these then they would clash with struct-stubs, not to mention the generic size, as there are masses of churches (pun n/i). A Guy into Books (talk) 08:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
It would be a subtype of the struct-stub, side-by-side with the regional subtypes, and each stub can have both. We may also end up deciding that we can do other regional church stub cateogries, as well as denominational church stubs on the England level. We do have multiple stub tags on a single page, see St Mary of the Angels, Liverpool, England an an example for a church in England. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
So quick question, if an article was in {{Cornwall-struct-stub}} and was a heritage listed church still in use (like this one: Church of St James, Antony), then how would this new {{England-church-stub}} category affect it? A Guy into Books (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
The same stub could have both, as neither is an ancestor (parent, grandparent, etc.) of the other. At some point in the future we may have {{Cornwall-church-stub}}, which would replace both. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
This seems quite reasonable, I Support this idea. A Guy into Books (talk) 12:45, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah - "double-stubbing" is standard in cases like that. Grutness...wha? 01:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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