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Interstate 75 in Michigan

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Promoted to A-Class. –Fredddie™ 02:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC) {{Wikipedia:Featured article tools|1=Interstate 75 in Michigan}} Interstate 75 in Michigan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: The longest highway in the state of Michigan, the only highway on both of Michigan's two peninsulas, and a future FAC. Should this article be promoted further, the A/FA or FA-only maps of Michigan will have both peninsulas interconnected with higher upper-tier articles.

Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 05:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

First comment occurred: 05:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Review by TCN7JM

Review by TCN7JM

I've been on this road from the Ohio border to US 2, if I remember correctly. I'd love to review this article. TCN7JM 05:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• I can't help but feel that the second sentence should mention Michigan instead of just I-75 enters the state.
• [B]oth of Michigan's two peninsulas is redundant.
• You start both the last sentence of the second paragraph and the first sentence of the third paragraph with the word "various".

Route description

• The first sentence is missing a word.
• I-75 carries segments all of four Great Lakes Circle Tours - I think you accidentally swapped the order of "all" and "of".

Lake Erie shore and the Downriver communities

• You mention where the Lake Erie Circle Tour leaves I-75, but not where it joins the route.
• Maybe add a "respectively" to the end of that last sentence?

Detroit to the Tri-Cities

• In the first sentence, the downtown Detroit looks awkward as it is.
• [B]ypass around (multiple uses) seems redundant, seeing as the definition of bypass is "to go around".
• In the second-to-last sentence, do you need to mention that Birch Run is in Michigan? I'd pipe the wikilink.

Central Michigan

• I-675 merges back in - That sounds pretty weird, in my opinion. I would reword that.
• You use "northwesterly" a lot in this subsection. Are there any other words you could use to substitute for it?
• Near the end of the second paragraph, you begin one sentence with I-75 turns northwesterly and the next sentence with Turning back to the northwest. There was no directional change in the first sentence, so the word "back" is unnecessary.

Northern Michigan

• First sentence has an easily-avoidable "<verb>ing" phrase.
• The second sentence of the third paragraph has no sense of juxtaposition with either of the sentences next of it. It just kinda states "this freeway passes between these two lakes".

Upper Peninsula

• LHCT needs to be used in parentheses once before you use it to abbreviate the Lake Michigan Circle Tour.
• You need a reference for H-63 being the former route of US 2.

I'll do the other sections when my head doesn't feel like it's going to explode. TCN7JM 07:00, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

History

Indian trails to state highways

• Toledo, Ohio, Monroe and Detroit - The way that's formatted makes it look like Ohio is a part of the list and not just tacked onto the end of Toledo.

Interstate Highway era

• The southern section of near the Ohio state line - There's an extra word here somewhere.
• In 1962, the section from freeway from M-24 - Another extra word.

More to come. TCN7JM 00:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Monumental bridges

• You should use the conversion template to convert the costs from the olden days to 2013 dollars.

Exit list

• There are two exit 2s?

Okay, that's all! This was a lot of fun to review. I hope I can support after you fix these issues. TCN7JM 02:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

RD comments addressed and tweaked as needed. I'll get the history ones in a little bit... Imzadi 1979 → 05:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the two exit 2 are separate partial interchanges. The history comments are done, and the inflation templates are being added here in just a moment. Imzadi 1979 → 05:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Awesome! I'll support. TCN7JM 10:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Image review

Just claiming it now. SounderBruce 07:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• File:I-75.svg - File:Yes check.svg PD-MUTCD
• File:I-75 (MI) map.svg - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY-SA, uploaded by author
• File:I-75 Chrysler Freeway looking south.jpg - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY-SA, uploaded from Flickr
• File:I-75 MI exit 188.JPG - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY-SA, uploaded by author
• File:I-75 MI exit 254.jpg - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY-SA, uploaded by author
• File:Upper Michigan Welcome Sign I75.jpg - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY-SA, uploaded by author
• File:Michigan's Indian trails.png - File:Yes check.svg PD-US-not removed, map taken from book published in 1959
• File:Michigan Turnpike map 1955.png - File:Yes check.svg PD-US-no notice, map taken from report published in 1955 without copyright notice
• File:Zilwaukee-Bridge-September-.jpg - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY, uploaded by author
• File:Mack brdg ngt.JPG - File:Yes check.svg CC-BY, uploaded by author on Wikipedia and transferred to Commons by another user
• File:Soo Locks International Bridge 2010-04 USACE.jpg - File:Yes check.svg PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACE, released into public domain by US Army Corps of Engineers

Images all check out. Support SounderBruce 07:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Review by Dough4872

Extended content

• I will review this article. Dough4872 00:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments:

1. In the infobox, it may be helpful to indicate the termini are at the Ohio and Canadian borders.
2. What is a "monumental bridge"? This should be better clarified.
3. Do you think you can mention the least busiest section of I-75 at the beginning of the route description?
4. I think it would be a better idea to mention Monroe County when the route first crosses from Ohio.
5. " I-75 crosses the Ecorse River and passes through an industrial area of the Detroit Metro area.", you use area twice in the same sentence.
6. "Near the bridge's approaches, the freeway turns 90° away from the river and intersects the eastern end of I-96 before turning again to parallel the river further inland.", perhaps mention which direction the freeway turns.
7. The sentence "Near the M-59 interchange, I-75 passes the headquarters for Chrysler, and near the M-24 interchange, it runs near The Palace of Auburn Hills, home of the Detroit Pistons." is long and choppy.
8. The sentence "West of Sterling, the landscape changes again; the freeway passes into forests." sounds awkward.
9. "I-75 crosses the Pine River before passing into Chippewa County. The freeway takes a more northerly track as it passes under M-48 without an interchange" you use the verb pass in two consecutive sentences.
10. Perhaps mention how many lanes the road is across the state.
11. In the Interstate Highway era, you jump from 1961 back to 1960. These events should be presented in chronological order.
12. The sentence "The next year, the last section of the Chrysler Freeway in Hazel Park was finished when an interchange for the then-unbuilt I-696." sounds awkward.
13. There are two missing mileposts in the exit list. Can these be found? Dough4872 01:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Numbers 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12 are done. Number 2, if you mean the sentence in the lead is reusing the term from the section heading, which is a reuse of MDOT's terminology from the sources. Number 3 will have to wait until I'm off work for technical limitations of the work computer. Number 6 is tricky, as the directions in Detroit don't follow the compass neatly, but the locals consider the Detroit River to be east-west even though it is more like ENE-WSW in direction. As for number 13, at some point I'll complete redo the mileposts in the exit list, but that's not going to be done until right before the future FAC. Imzadi 1979 → 06:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Lowest AADT added. Imzadi 1979 → 20:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I will now support the article. Dough4872 00:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Review by Rschen7754

I will also review this article. --Rschen7754 00:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC) No dead links or disamb links. Lead No issues. RJL Check for stray semicolons. Southbound exit and northbound entrance; partial ... what? Southern end of LECT concurrency - should be lowercase Sharp turn 25 mph (40 km/h) - should be sourced All corrected. Imzadi 1979 → 21:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC) Random note What is the toll? Added along with a quick summary of services keeping in line with our standards on toll roads Imzadi 1979 → 21:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC) More later. --Rschen7754 08:24, 26 March 2013 (UTC) RD I-75 bypasses southeast of Monroe... odd choice of verb. I-675 splits to run westward into downtown... splits off? in this area the freeway passes into forests. ... into forests? There are a pair of interchanges on the on either are $4 for passenger cars and $5 per axel - is? axle? The authority also provides a driver assistance program - why would someone need assistance? And two sentences in a row beginning with "The authority". Nitpick on the image - the caption says it's the welcome sign but it's barely visible. Done with the RD, more later. --Rschen7754 09:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC) Done with the RD. As for the first point, "bypasses" is fine to me. Imzadi 1979 → 10:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC) Freeway names As a practical matter, the southernmost segments retain their other names. - not sure what's trying to be said here. Changed. Let me know if that's better. Imzadi 1979 → 09:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Monumental bridges The inflation templates only go up to 2010 at last check. Carferry? Not car ferry? Who is "they"? Now the MBA is referred to earlier, need to adjust. [104] should go before the parenthetical remark. Will come back to the history. --Rschen7754 08:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Done so far. Imzadi 1979 → 09:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Turnpikes and freeways I-75 itself when I-275 - "when" doesn't seem like the best word here IH era One was signed initially as a part of US 23 only from Kawkawlin to Standish. The other through Detroit extended I-75 parallel to Fort Street. - can be combined The company's owner was jailed for contempt of court during court proceedings in early 2012,[93] MDOT was later ordered to assume responsibility for construction,[94] and the department completed the project on September 21, 2012. - need some sort of semicolon, as using commas is trying to jam too many things together. That concludes the review. --Rschen7754 22:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Finished those up. Imzadi 1979 → 23:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Support issues resolved. --Rschen7754 23:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Spotcheck

• I will do the spotcheck. Dough4872 01:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

1. Source 1 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
2. Source 2 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
3. Source 3 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
4. Source 9 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism, maybe could indicate between which two exits the curve is.
5. Source 10 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
6. Source 12 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Partially verifiable, no plagiarism.... Source does not make an indication that the bridge is an exception from MDOT maintaining roads.
7. Source 13 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Partially verifiable, no plagiarism.... Does not mention authority collecting tolls.
8. Source 15 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
9. Source 16 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Partially verifiable, no plagiarism.... Does not clearly indicate that a police department provides the escort service. Also could mention the fee for backpackers and bicyclists.
10. Source 17 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Partially verifiable, no plagiarism.... Same issues as source 16.
11. Source 18 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
12. Source 41 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
13. Source 42 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
14. Source 45 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
15. Source 47 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
16. Source 48 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
17. Source 49 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Verifiable.... I would change "derail" to another verb as to not copy the article.
18. Source 50 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
19. Source 51 - File:Yes check.svg Verifiable, no plagiarism
20. Source 55 - File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Partially verifiable, no plagiarism.... Article does not clearly indicate the termini.

Found a few issues, but otherwise pretty good. Dough4872 02:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I swapped out a different source for fn 12, in an explanatory footnote that should clarify that yes, the MBA is separate from MDOT. Since the MBA has jurisdiction over the bridge, it's not an MDOT-maintained structure.

I added an explicit citation to the sentence to indicate that the MBA collects the tolls.

Reading the two footnotes previously numbered 16 and 17 together, yes, it's the bridge patrol that provides the escort service, so please don't be so pedantic.

Changed "derailed" to "undermined".

Added a map cite that shows the termini of the section opened. Imzadi 1979 → 02:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support - Sources check out. Dough4872 02:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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