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re: Rewriting Deleted Article

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Hi, my name is Katie and I'm writing in regards to an article/page that has been deleted several times. The company and article subject is GuardNOW, a security guard franchise company who is looking to create a new article/page that meets Wiki criteria. If someone could let me know what needs to be done to move forward with a new page that would be great. I understand that the main issue is promotional content and lack of 3rd party sources; writing the article from a NPOV is no problem, though any specifics or suggestions on how best to incorporate/obtain 3rd party sources would be most helpful in moving forward. Here is the link to the GuardNow Deletion Page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zaid231

Please let me know if there's any add'l info you need and thank you for your time! KateZaid231 (talk) 00:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Since the article was declined repeatedly and ultimately deleted for not being neutral, that may be more of a problem than you think. However, the lack of sources is worse. Incorporating them is easy - see WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes. Obtaining third-party sources is much more difficult, especially when multiple editors have looked for them and came up empty, as WP:Articles for deletion/GuardNOW suggests. I don't think I have any greater chances than those editors; I'd suggest that the company simply isn't notable enough for an article. Maybe write about something else? Huon (talk) 01:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Is there anything left that I need to do to speed up approval of this article? Jelafi17 (talk) 03:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The draft's tone seems unduly promotional, and the content is largely not supported by the given sources, some of which (especially Book Lover Book Reviews, which looks like a personal blog to me) don't seem reliable in the first place. Huon (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

We appreciate your response, however, we need your guidance in letting us know how do we reference a blog/ blogger as it will be written by the person himself and no editorial work has been undertaken on the same. Thanking you for all your feedback and guidance. Aghosh4 (talk) 05:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Preferably not at all. The person's own writings are primary sources and should be used only for uncontroversial details (such as the blogger's birthdate), not as the sole basis of large amounts of content. Even then Wikipedia would prefer secondary sources such as newspaper articles about him. If primary sources are necessary for some such uncontroversial detail, you'd cite them just as you'd cite secondary sources; for blog posts, by giving the author, the title and the URL. WP:Referencing for beginners will explain how to easily cite websites such as blogs. Huon (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

My article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Rural Business School seems to have been refused for a second time despite my making the changes required after the first time. With the second rejection there doesnt seem to be any explanation as to why it has been rejected. I need to know why so I can make the appropriate amendments and re-submit.

Thank you

Almacres (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually you have been advised twice to read and follow the guidance at Referencing for beginners but you have clearly not succeeded in doing so. If there is something in the guideline you do not understand feel free to ask us. The explanation for the decline is always in the grey box in the middle of the pink review template - both times the exact same reason was given. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I submitted an article for review on May 20. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/N._Anthony_(Tony)_Coles. I know there is a backlog for reviews but wonder if there is an anticipated review date? Thank you very much. Adam Silverstein (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Currently the oldest unreviewed submissions are from May 17, so yours should be reviewed within the next few days. Huon (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

This article is currently in the queue for review.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ray_%22Killer%22_Allison

one small question - i would like to change the title to "Killer" Ray Allison as opposed to Ray "Killer" Allison.

How do I change that, and will it delay the review???

Please advise.

Thanks,

Prophetic dreamer (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Prophetic dreamer

No need to change it until the draft is moved to the mainspace.--ukexpat (talk) 17:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
You can simply change it in the text and explain it in the edit summary, then whoever does the review that approves it would see what has been done and move it to the correct title. If not it can be moved again anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Writer54321 (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Writer54321 (talk) 21:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)