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Englefield House

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I have tried AND FAILED to add a photo in the Royal connections section of this page. PLEASE place in the caption below the photo that "Pippa Middleton held her wedding reception at Englefield House in May 2017". Is ref number 16 OK? Please assist with photo/file. Thank you Srbernadette (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette:  Done. Please try to remember that the date of the article goes in its own parameter (I.e.|date=xx Month year) not placed together with 'publisher'. Thank you. Eagleash (talk)

kttw tv

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KTTW (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Page has been updated several times in last few days to correct errors but updates keep getting cancelled. What can be done ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.77.211.181 (talk) 08:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

You could cite your evidence for these changes to make them less likely to be challenged and reverted. You could also consider creating an account and/or discussing with the person who reverted you what can be done to improve the page. Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 09:30, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
It is important to cite reliable sources for your changes. However, this is really a content dispute and should be discussed with the other editor involved. I note though, that the other editor has requested page protection which seems a little 'harsh' as I believe the changes were made in good faith. In any case, do not just add the content back, as this could lead you into difficulty in respect of edit warring. Eagleash (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Note the request for page protection was declined. Eagleash (talk) 14:58, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Defaultsort glitch

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For the past few weeks, {{DEFAULTSORT:}} has been appearing on the line ABOVE the cursor after the Wiki markup link is clicked. Previously it always appeared exactly where the cursor was.

Why has this changed, and can it please be changed back? It's a very irritating and apparently pointless change. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It works for me. Do you mean you click somewhere in the edit box to place the cursor, then click {{DEFAULTSORT:}} in the "Wiki markup" menu below the edit box, and {{DEFAULTSORT:}} is not inserted where you placed the cursor? What is your browser and skin? Does it happen when you are logged out? Do other menu items like [[Category:]] work? Where is the cursor after the click? It should be after the colon like for [[Category:]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that is exactly the problem I'm describing. I do a lot of clean up work, including inserting Defaultsort in articles that require it. Imagine an article that has a series of Categories at the bottom, separated from the main part of the article by a line break. I add a new line break in which to insert the Defaultsort, still leaving a line break for readability. I insert the cursor at the start of the 2nd line break, immediately above the first Category. I click Defaultsort. Previously, it would have been inserted exactly where I had my cursor. But now, it appears in the 1st line break, immediately below the article, with a line break between it and the Categories. It's not a massive task to move the Defaultsort down to sit with the Categories it's governing. But as I say, previously (i.e. for the past 13 years I've been doing this on WP) there was no task required at all. Something has changed, but not for the better.
Browser is Google Chrome, and skin is Monobook
I never edit when logged out
No probs with Category
Cursor is after the colon.
Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Please try it logged out. You don't have to save but it's important to get an idea whether it may be related to your account settings. Does it also happen if you click a random place in the article and then click {{DEFAULTSORT:}} without inserting a line break? There is a possibly related report at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Incorrect positions of en-dashes. Maybe Chrome sometimes has a position problem if you inserted or removed something just before. It works for me in Firefox and MonoBook. I haven't tried Chrome. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I have now downloaded and installed Chrome to test it. I can reproduce the problem, also logged out. I only have issues if I just removed or inserted something. It also happens for me for [[Category:]] right after inserting a line, and I also have the problem at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Incorrect positions of en-dashes. Discussion can continue there. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Two different birth dates of Ben Cropp is written....January 7, 1936 and January 19. 1936. The correct one is January 19,1936

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Logo edit request

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I am not sure how to make an update for this page, so I thought I would send an email and ask the experts to do it. Recently, our company completely rebranded. We want to make sure the new logo gets displayed on Wikipedia. Could you replace the old logo on the page below with the attached. This logo is not in the public domain, it is propert and trademark of out company. Here is an article that can be used as a source (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170522005323/en/Corporation-Service-Company-Announces-Major-Rebrand-CSC)

New logo: http://mms.businesswire.com/media/20170522005323/en/588109/5/csclogo_1860x876.jpg?download=1

Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_Service_Company Old logo page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_Service_Company#/media/File:CSC_New_Logo_2014.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaun Hartley (talk • contribs) 12:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Article Deletion

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Hi!

Just got a query about article deletions on Wikipedia. We wrote a Wiki entry for the site, adhering as I thought to the guidelines regarding self-promotion, but it’s been deleted.

I’d just like to get a bit more info as to why, since all info included in the piece was corroborated with external links and it was all fact-based. The links have been stripped out here but everything's been corroborated with links not associated with Lincoln & York.

If anyone could shed some light that'd be great!

Thanks,

Sarah


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadie054 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey, @Sadie054:, I'm an administrator here at Wikipedia, so I may be able to help you, but I need some more information from you first. You have never created an article with this account, nor can I find any article that has ever been titled Lincoln & York, which means that I cannot review the deleted article to understand why it was deleted in the first place. Do you know the exact title of the deleted article? --Jayron32 14:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
If the article was anything like the "original article content" above, it will have been deleted. It's excessively promotional, and it cites no sources (though it does list some). Maproom (talk) 15:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I want to translate articles

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Hello,

I'd very much like to translate existing articles - especially biographies. I am a translator with over 10 years of experience in English, French, Spanish and Romanian.

How can I start doing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:2AD5:ED00:11F7:B060:9E4B:FA7E (talk) 14:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

If you want to translate to English, see Wikipedia:Translation. If you want to translate from English, see Wikipedia:Translate us. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Removal of the Symphonic rock page

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The 'Symphonic rock' page has been removed and merged into 'Progressive Rock'. I feel that this page should be restored. The Progressive Rock page glosses over the early progressive rock in favor of highlighting the new bands. The major bands of the seventies are mentioned in one sentence! Other genres of Progressive rock such as Zeuhl and Krautrock continue to have separate sub-genre pages (as it should be). The page was covering later developments so I can see why it was merged. I would be up to edit the page and just concentrate on Symphonic Progressive Rock in order to make the page more concise and specific. Would that be OK? Firstlensman (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Firstlensman It might be a good idea to post your proposal on the talk page of the article you wish to de-merge, but before you do I'd suggest looking over the previous discussions there that led up to the merger, particularly ...what is the point of this page? and proposed merge, to ensure that your plans would counter the arguments raised there. Oh, and briefly post to Talk:Progressive rock as well just to link to your main post: Noyster (talk), 09:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

GB Group (UK) Update Required

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Hi, I am writing on behalf of the Head of Brand and Communications, Daniel Sheridan at GB Group. The current article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB_Group_(UK) requires some updates to reflect the changes within the company over the past few years.

You can find a link here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/18MkWRJTx0xKnCut7Nhw9-fqwGjp4OLHKGfREt4F5ow4/edit?usp=sharing) to the Google drive Doc showing the changes which we would like to be applied to the article. You can find the additions in bold and the deductions in bold and struck through.

To be completely transparent: I am not an employee of GB Group, however i am working as a marketing consultant on behalf of the head of brand and GBG.

We do not believe the updated content to be promotional or bias, it is purely to keep the article up to date and to reflect the current structure of the business as a whole.

Please let me know if the new content needs amending and how we can go about updating the content without it being removed by a moderator.

Kind Regards, Rick R.rosenthal93 (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

The best place to make this request is the talk page of the article. I have copied it there. But it would be better if you specified your proposed changes on the talk page, instead of referring editors to an external document – for one thing, this will cause the request to be preserved there. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Rick Nicita

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Hello, I am trying to create a biography for my boss, Rick Nicita and I dont seem to understand how to do this. I have never done it or dont know how to. He is referenced on Wikipedia through many things (such as his wife, CAA, producing credits, etc).

Can you help?

Heather — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rnicita (talk • contribs) 20:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Heather, you cannot have an account in your boss' name, so this account has been blocked. The article you posted (without disclosing your status as a paid editor with a conflict of interest, in violation of our Terms of Service) has been deleted as a copyright violation. Frankly, it was sufficiently promotional that it would probably have been deleted anyway. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Infobox books

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I just had a look at Human, All Too Human and wondered whether it wouldn't be better to place the infobox headline at least on the same level as the introduction line – like in other infoboxes, too. otherwise you have this big spacing... What do you think?--Erdic (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Erdic, yes, it sounds a good suggestion and can be done technically. But my view would be that while the opening lines in the article (and in many other similarly designed articles like Orange (fruit)) are about other disambiguated articles, the infobox is specifically about the particular article. Therefore perhaps we should let it remain the way it is, so the infobox details are correlated with the specific article rather than with other articles. This becomes a bit more important in mobile views (for examples, here are the mobile views of Orange and of Human, All Too Human). Thanks. Lourdes 02:38, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
@Lourdes: Yes, in this respect you're absolutely right, of course. But what I would suggest is simply including the title in the box – as with probably the most other infoboxes. The aspect you mentioned has something to do with the position of the box as whole, but that would not be affected by my proposal, would it?--Erdic (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Using wildcards/regular expressions in Wikipedia search (box)

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I need help searching for specific phrases or partial text in articles. I've worked with regular expression before but I'm struggling to understand the Perl-dialect.
For instance: I want look for persons who died on 24 July during the 10th century (=from 900 AD until 1000 AD). Help:Searching and Help:Advanced search do not provide proper examples how to use wildcards.
If I would know the specific year I could just use this query.
However, I want to look in the range 900 – 999. What do I enter in the search box? Or better yet: what would the equivalent of this query look like?
Thank you in advance. Mill 1 (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC) (talk • contribs) 11:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The only result in your example is Muhammad ibn Tughj al-Ikhshid where "Died 24 July 946" in the rendered page is made by this in the source: | death_date = {{death date and age|946|07|24|882|02|08|df=y}}. regex only works on the source so to catch this for 900 to 999 we could try: "24 July" insource:/\|9..\|0?7\|0?24/. The only result is still Muhammad ibn Tughj al-Ikhshid]. There may be other articles producing the date in other ways or wording the result differently. A version with a recent century finds more articles. regex searches are slow and must be combined with a filter like "died 24 July" to reduce the number of pages before regex is applied. Otherwise it may just time out after wasting some server resources. See mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Regular expression searches. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you PrimeHunter for your helpful answer. You have saved me tonnes of time! Mill 1 (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
For future reference:
An alternative way of looking for partial dates/text exists in case a regex search yields no results:
This query resulted in no hits. Reason is that many wikipedians don't apply the birth/death date format in the template of the biography infobox. Bummer..
Do the following to look for persons who died 29 June in the 17th century (browser = Google Chrome v. 59.0.3071.86):
  1. Look for a specific date of death in the rendered articles, for instance: "died 29 June".
  2. Scroll to the bottom; set the results view to (next) 500.
  3. Perform a browser search on the results in the web page: hit CTRL+F (Windows) and enter 29 June 16 (16 = year 1600-1699).
8 results! Bit more work but works like a charm!
NB: Please note that next date format also yields possible results: died June 29, 16
Perform next steps to look for instance for birth- and death dates in March 1000 - 1099 (again browser=Chrome):
  1. Enter this regex: "March" insource:/\|10..\|0?3\|0?/ (and wait a bit)
  2. Scroll to the bottom and set results view to (next) 500
  3. Do a browser search on the results: df=y
In closing: if you want to regex search for persons born on a specific date in a certain century use this:
"26 March" insource:/\|15..\|0?3\|0?26\|df=y/. Example births 15th century. Mill 1 (talk) 11:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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