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==Proposals, July 2018==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Gobiiformes ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The 5th edition of Fishes of the World recognises the order [[Gobiiformes]] as separate from the [[Perciformes]], I am updating the Gobiiform articles to reflect this and currently (if I remember) changing any stub tags to [[:Category:Ray-finned fish stubs]]. In think a [[:Category:Gobiiformes stubs]] would be useful. [[User:Quetzal1964|Quetzal1964]] [[User talk:Quetzal1964|(talk)]]   07:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Might could be useful indeed, I edited your post a little, I think you were asking for categories, but maybe you were suggesting a new upmerged template? Also, any estimate on how many Gobiiformes stubs there are? -[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 17:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::There are over 2000 species of Gobiiformes and any stubs are one of ray-finned fish, Perciformes and Gobiidae. I have put Automated taxoboxes on a couple of hundred Gobiiformes articles in the last week or two. [[User:Quetzal1964|Quetzal1964]] [[User talk:Quetzal1964|(talk)]]   17:22, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; creation of [[:Category:Gobiiformes stubs]] and [[:Template:Gobiiformes-stubs]] as direct subcat of [[:Category:Ray-finned fish stubs]]. There are [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=5288700 629 articles] in both [[:Category:Gobiiformes]] and [[:Category:Ray-finned fish stubs]]. -[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 17:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Minor correction&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;: I think the template should be {{tl|gobiiformes-stub}}...? &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;([[User talk:Pegship|speak]])&amp;#039;&amp;#039; 21:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Bump!  I have written the stub. It&amp;#039;s in my sandbox. [[User:Quetzal1964|Quetzal1964]] [[User talk:Quetzal1964|(talk)]]   19:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Nice. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;([[User talk:Pegship|speak]])&amp;#039;&amp;#039; 17:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Orthoptera, phase II ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Within [[:Category:Orthoptera stubs]], every article but two have been sorted into either [[:Category:Caelifera stubs]] or [[:Category:Ensifera stubs]], which now hold between six and seven hundred articles each. These suborders are divided into superfamilies which are divided into families, but as far as stubs, I think it makes sense to skip straight to the family level. Within the [[Caelifera]], we have the family [[Acrididae]], in which I&amp;#039;m finding about 588 stubs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Caelifera+stubs%22+acrididae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=4tzn69blbx2g4elfeqch0i1w6]. That one will probably call for further dividing, once it&amp;#039;s populated. Meanwhile, among the [[Ensifera]], there are two families showing respectable numbers: the [[Gryllidae]] with about 128 stubs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Ensifera+stubs%22+gryllidae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=1krns1j1xincbb1jl5w7hte77], and the [[Rhaphidophoridae]] with about 108 stubs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Ensifera+stubs%22+rhaphidophoridae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=evjaf0hdxagxyartaemwu400k]. I therefore propose:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[:Category:Acrididae stubs]] (subcat to [[:Category:Caelifera stubs]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[:Category:Gryllidae stubs]] (subcat to [[:Category:Ensifera stubs]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[:Category:Rhaphidophoridae stubs]] (subcat to [[:Category:Ensifera stubs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless someone has a reason that there should be stub categories for superfamilies in this particular order, this seems to me to be the way forward. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Superfamily stub categories are useful when said superfamily has a lot of species/genera &amp;#039;&amp;#039;incerta sedis&amp;#039;&amp;#039;; when there&amp;#039;s taxonomic instability and frequent revisions in regards to what belongs to which family; when the separate families are too small to bother with categories/when the parent category is likely to remain oversized when solely separating the larger families. None of those appear to apply here (though the latter might &amp;#039;&amp;#039;eventually&amp;#039;&amp;#039; apply when a larger portion of species has actual articles, though once that is the case, more family-level categories can also be split off so we&amp;#039;ll have to revisit once it comes to that); &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; skipping straight to the family level. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;dd&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;W&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;itty&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;N&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ame&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;H&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ere&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 18:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just realized I hadn&amp;#039;t mentioned this work I&amp;#039;m doing over in the insect project, and that I probably should..... [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects#Subcategories for Orthoptera stubs|so I did]]. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Does it make sense to create the following family-level stub templates, upmerged to the relevant suborders? Then, those templates can be easily organized into sensible levels of minor classification granularity. Families drawn from [[:Category:Orthoptera stubs]]. Due to the current poor state of categorization of the articles, it&amp;#039;s very hard to do PetScan analysis. I did my best to suggest what suborders each stub template would go into. I&amp;#039;m happy to help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Caelifera&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Acrididae-stub}} (already proposed)&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Anostostomatidae-stub}} &lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Charilaidae-stub}} &lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Chorotypidae-stub}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Caelifera+stubs%22+Chorotypidae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=cxrqfpw3oqah3csakmjuwys8s 9 stubs]&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Cooloolidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Cylindrachetidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Dericorythidae-stub}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Caelifera+stubs%22+Dericorythidae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=cu2molisuzf7jtcny2xbq9l7l 5 stubs]&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Eumastacidae-stub}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Caelifera+stubs%22+Eumastacidae&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;ns9=1&amp;amp;ns11=1&amp;amp;ns12=1&amp;amp;searchToken=ake5cvdidyrpklmx5mwddip3k 27 stubs]&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Lathiceridae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Lentulidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Lithidiidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Ommexechidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Pamphagidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Pyrgacrididae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Romaleidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Tetrigidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Tridactylidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Tristiridae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Ensifera&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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::#{{tl|Gryllacrididae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Gryllidae-stub}} (already proposed)&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Gryllotalpidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Mogoplistidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Myrmecophilidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Pamphagodidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Pneumoridae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Prophalangopsidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Proscopiidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Pyrgomorphidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Rhaphidophoridae-stub}} (already proposed)&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Schizodactylidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Stenopelmatidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Tettigoniidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Thericleidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
::#{{tl|Trigonopterygidae-stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::-[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 01:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I would also be willing to help, should we decide to make templates for each family. Sounds fun. An advantage might be that categorization of the order by family, rather than by suborder, is more natural to expect from readers or future editors. If there&amp;#039;s a reason this would be a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;bad&amp;#039;&amp;#039; idea, I don&amp;#039;t know it. Even if some of these templates are mostly unused, those won&amp;#039;t hurt anything. As long as nobody gets all excited and creates a cat for every template, even the unused ones, we should be fine, and then if any more family stub cats become necessary down the line, they&amp;#039;re already sorted. I like it. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, the requisite five days having passed, I created the three categories I had proposed here, created templates for them, and diffused the two sub-order stub cats, at least at a first pass. This makes it easier to examine the situation with other families. One of the first things I notice is that there are a number of articles doubly classified as belonging to family [[Acrididae]] or to one of the families [[Romaleidae]] or [[Pamphagidae]]. Those two families only exist according to certain authors, with others treating them as subfamilies of [[Acrididae]]. Not sure if there&amp;#039;s a consensus on how to handle those here. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::{{ping|GTBachhus}} I think ambiguity in family designation feels like a question for WP:Insects. Maybe they already have a category for contested taxa. -[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 04:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{ping|Furicorn}} That sounds good, I&amp;#039;ll ask them. Meanwhile, do you agree with holding off on these family templates until we get some clarification? -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::{{ping|GTBachhus}} It&amp;#039;s certainly not a problem to hold off. While I think it makes sense to leave ambiguous articles alone, I&amp;#039;m not sure why we would hold off on creating the families to tag articles that clearly fit in one or another family. With upmerged templates, the article stays in the same category, but now has a more specific template that can be used for analytical purposes in PetScan (so we can determine if there is a set of articles that make a logical subcat). We often do this in Geographical categories. Is there some particular concern you have with the family templates? My only concern is the amount of drudgery it will be :), but like I said, with upmerging we can tag all the articles before we decide on how to arrange the subcategories. -[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 16:23, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::{{ping|Furicorn}} I guess you&amp;#039;re right. I just don&amp;#039;t want to create templates that won&amp;#039;t actually be used, but even then, I guess there&amp;#039;s not actually any harm done. We can start creating them whenever, I suppose. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:56, 30 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&amp;#039;ve created and started tagging the Ensiferan family templates. Note that [[Anostostomatidae]] is part of Ensifera, and not Caelifera as listed above. That&amp;#039;s the only error I&amp;#039;ve found so far. :) -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Regional Sub Categories for [[:Category:Missouri_Registered_Historic_Place_stubs|Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Missouri_Registered_Historic_Place_stubs|Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]] has over 1100 stubs currently grouped in several dozen upmerged county-level templates. Proposing speedy creation of Regional NHRP subcategories matching the existing regional groupings of [[:Category:Missouri geography stubs|Missouri Geography stubs]]. The existing subcats are:&lt;br /&gt;
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#[[:Category:Central Missouri geography stubs|Central Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:St. Louis Area, Missouri geography stubs|St. Louis Area, Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Kansas City, Missouri region geography stubs|Kansas City, Missouri region geography stubs]] &lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Northeast Missouri geography stubs|Northeast Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Northwest Missouri geography stubs|Northwest Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Ozark region, Missouri geography stubs|Ozark region, Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Southeast Missouri geography stubs|Southeast Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Southwest Missouri geography stubs|Southwest Missouri geography stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
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And the new proposed subcats would be as follows (composed of the identical counties as in the geography groupings):&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Central Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Central Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:St. Louis Area, Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|St. Louis Area, Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Kansas City, Missouri region Registered Historic Place stubs|Kansas City, Missouri region Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Northeast Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Northeast Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Northwest Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Northwest Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Ozark region, Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Ozark region, Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Southeast Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Southeast Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[:Category:Southwest Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs|Southwest Missouri Registered Historic Place stubs]]&lt;br /&gt;
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-[[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 10:34, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; per nom. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[Pegship|Her Pegship]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;([[User talk:Pegship|speak]])&amp;#039;&amp;#039; 17:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Subcats of Othoptera stubs===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Orthoptera stubs]] has 1298 articles, currently. The insect order [[Orthoptera]] is divided into two suborders: [[Ensifera]] and [[Caelifera]]. I note the following search results, showing that at least 429 of the Orthoptera stubs seem to belong in Ensifera: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Orthoptera+stubs%22+ensifera&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;searchToken=2v3gvysribozr3wixbirzoj60], and at least 118 of them seem to belong in Caelifera: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Orthoptera+stubs%22+caelifera&amp;amp;title=Special:Search&amp;amp;profile=advanced&amp;amp;fulltext=1&amp;amp;ns0=1&amp;amp;searchToken=6pjlzjthkdnb20kcmuu88p5ew]. Those searches only catch articles where the applicable suborder is actually &amp;#039;&amp;#039;mentioned&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, so a great many are missed, which can be identified on closer inspection. (I can provide more evidence if needed.) I propose stub categories: [[:Category:Ensifera stubs]] and [[:Category:Caelifera stubs]], which should suffice to almost &amp;#039;&amp;#039;completely&amp;#039;&amp;#039; depopulate the parent category, except for stubs dealing with Orthopterans in general. Subsequent further subdivision is likely to be desired, but I figure we start here. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 09:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, I did some research with PetScan, got the following results&lt;br /&gt;
:*[[:Category:Orthoptera stubs]] and [[:Category:Ensifera]] - 100 results from PetScan [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=5142490 PSID 5142490]&lt;br /&gt;
:*[[:Category:Orthoptera stubs]] and [[:Category:Caelifera]] - 675 results from PetScan [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=5142545 PSID 5142545]&lt;br /&gt;
:Interesting that PetScan counts seem to be the inverse of what the search results suggest. - [[User:Furicorn|Furicorn]] ([[User talk:Furicorn|talk]]) 10:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*&amp;gt;5 days, so &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;created&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. I&amp;#039;d appreciate if someone could double-check my work, as it&amp;#039;s been years since I&amp;#039;ve done this sort of thing. If I made any mistakes, I&amp;#039;d be happy enough to find out and learn to do better. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::{{ping|GTBacchus}} You forgot to add the WikiProject banners (Stub sorting &amp;amp; Insects in this case) to the talkpages, but other than that I didn&amp;#039;t see any issues. (Well, beyond the fact that most relevant stubs haven&amp;#039;t been sorted into the newly established categories yet so they&amp;#039;re still underpopulated for now, but that&amp;#039;s to be expected as you only just created them) [[User:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;dd&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;W&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;itty&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;N&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ame&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;H&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ere&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 18:02, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Flanders stubs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{sfp top|create Flanders geography stub parent cat; send Wallonia stub cat to cfr}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=5054403 PetScan, PSID=5054403]&lt;br /&gt;
*Qualifying articles: &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;9968&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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*Create [[Template:Flanders-stub]] and [[:Category:Flanders stubs]]. Especially since we already have the Wallonia versions. Flanders and Wallonia are twins, counterparts. I&amp;#039;m surprised that we have one and not the other.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;amp;thinsp;&amp;amp;mdash;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;[[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]]&amp;amp;nbsp;([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]])&amp;amp;nbsp;([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Guye|contribs]])&amp;amp;thinsp; 20:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*The {{cl|Wallonia stubs}} is populated by geo-stub sub-cats, thusly:&lt;br /&gt;
::Belgian Luxembourg geography stubs‎ (67 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::Namur geography stubs‎ (89 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::Walloon Brabant geography stubs‎ &lt;br /&gt;
::Hainaut geography stubs‎ (155 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::Liège geography stubs‎ (132 P)&lt;br /&gt;
:*Likewise, there are several Flanders geography stub categories: &lt;br /&gt;
::Antwerp geography stubs‎ (96 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::East Flanders geography stubs‎ (109 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flemish Brabant geography stubs‎ (95 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::Belgian Limburg geography stubs‎ (44 P)&lt;br /&gt;
::West Flanders geography stubs‎ (146 P)&lt;br /&gt;
:*It appears that the only reason to create a parent cat for Flanders geo-stubs is to mirror the Wallonia geo-stubs parent; very few of the articles in {{cl|Flanders}} are about anything but geography. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Tentative support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; creation of parent cat {{cl|Flanders stubs}}; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;no support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; for {{tl|Flanders-stub}}. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Would rather create&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; parent cat {{cl|Flanders geography stubs}} without a template. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] ([[User talk:Pegship|speak]]) 22:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Must Overcome Tedium to Handle Stub-sort (M.O.T.H.S)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{sfp create}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Same staggered approach. Same [[User:AddWittyNameHere/Lepistubsortprecedent|precedent for genus-level categories]]. As always, article-numbers given for existing categories do not include numbers in their extant subcategories; unless explicitly stated otherwise, estimated article numbers given for proposed categories do &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;not&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; include numbers for articles in simultaneously-proposed subcategories. Unless otherwise stated, most if not all articles for the proposed subcategories can be found in the lowest-level extant stub category I&amp;#039;m proposing it as subcategory of.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In part who-even-knows-anymore-plus-one of this saga, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;I&amp;#039;d like to propose the following:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;For existing category {{cl|Drepanidae stubs}} (just shy of 800 stubs, no subcategories), the following subcategories and templates:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Drepaninae stubs}}/{{tl|Drepaninae-stub}}: ~470-489 stubs. (I&amp;#039;ve just finished diffusing the non-stub counterpart categories and as usual, it&amp;#039;s just about all stubs. Wouldn&amp;#039;t be surprised to find it&amp;#039;s &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; stubs, tbh, just not able/willing to guarantee it)&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Thyatirinae stubs}}/{{tl|Thyatirinae-stub}}: ~290-300 stubs. (Same as above)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 03:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Five days past, creating. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 17:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Drepaninae done. Thyatirinae in progress. About 30% done, taking a bit of a break before wrapping up. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 00:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::And done, if a little later than expected. Adding to stub types list now. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;dd&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;W&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;itty&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;N&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ame&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;H&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ere&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:00, 12 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===The moths go ever on and on===&lt;br /&gt;
{{sfp top|create as revised}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Same staggered approach. Same [[User:AddWittyNameHere/Lepistubsortprecedent|precedent for genus-level categories]]. As always, article-numbers given for existing categories do not include numbers in their extant subcategories; unless explicitly stated otherwise, estimated article numbers given for proposed categories do &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;not&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; include numbers for articles in simultaneously-proposed subcategories. Unless otherwise stated, most if not all articles for the proposed subcategories can be found in the lowest-level extant stub category I&amp;#039;m proposing it as subcategory of.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In part who-even-knows-anymore of this saga, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;I&amp;#039;d like to propose the following:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;For existing subcategory {{cl|Blastobasidae stubs}} (494 stubs, no extant subcategories), the following subcategories and templates:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Due to lack of taxonomic certainty, no subfamily-level stubcategories are proposed.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Blastobasis stubs}}/{{tl|Blastobasis-stub}}: Species in genus &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Blastobasis&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. ~160-170 stubs. (Based upon [[:Category:Blastobasis]] holding 175 articles, combined with an at-a-glance estimate of articles in [[:Category:Blastobasidae stubs]] showing by and far most Blastobasis articles are stubs. Par for the course with moths, sadly.)&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Holcocera stubs}}/{{tl|Holcocera-stub}}: Genus &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Holcocera&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and all species stubs. 67 stubs.&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Hypatopa stubs}}/{{tl|Hypatopa-stub}}: Genus &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Hypatopa&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and species stubs. 84 stubs.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;For existing subcategory {{cl|Cosmopterigidae stubs}} (1540 stubs, 1 extant subcategory), the following:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Antequerinae stubs}}/{{tl|Antequerinae-stub}}. 67 articles. ([[Antequerinae]] and all genus- and species-level stubs of genera &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Alloclita&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Antequera&amp;#039;&amp;#039;,&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Chalcocolona&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Cnemidolophus&amp;#039;&amp;#039;,&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Cosmiosophista&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Euclemensia&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Gibeauxiella&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Lamachaera&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Meleonoma&amp;#039;&amp;#039;,&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt; (see below) &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Pancalia&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Phosphaticola&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.)&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;:*{{cl|Limnaecia stubs}}/{{tl|Limnaecia-stub}}. Genus &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Limnaecia&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and species stubs. 130 stubs.&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt; EDIT:Striking this, see below&lt;br /&gt;
*{{cl|Macrobathra stubs}}/{{tl|Macrobathra-stub}}. Genus &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Macrobathra&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and species stubs. 123 stubs.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 00:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Trusting (as usual) that you know what you&amp;#039;re about taxonomy-wise, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;support&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. [[User:Pegship|Pegship]] ([[User talk:Pegship|talk]]) 16:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*One support, no opposition, five days and about two hours since proposing...time to create. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 02:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::*Blastobasidae subcategories done. Onto Cosmopterigidae it is. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 03:44, 7 July 2018 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: While diffusing I&amp;#039;ve made some changes to the proposed above: I see I accidentally gave Macrobathra an indent it shouldn&amp;#039;t have had: meant to propose it separately//as subcategory of Cosmopterigidae, not of Antequerinae. &lt;br /&gt;
:::Striking Meleonoma as genus included in Antequerinae. Too much taxonomic contradiction both within and outside en.wiki. As a result, the category would be slightly undersized (50 stubs or thereabout) if separating Limnaecia into a subcategory, so gonna sort those straight into Antequerinae stubs instead. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 04:32, 7 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;amp;{{done}} (but see above), now off to update the stub types list and then it&amp;#039;s very much time for a break--my wrists are hurting. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]] ([[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|talk]]) 05:54, 7 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:WikiProject Stub sorting archives: Proposals 2018|Proposals 2018 07]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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