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==Proposals, July 2012==<br />
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===Wheelchair rugby ===<br />
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While I'm working my way through the Paralympians I have noticed that the few wheelchair rugby players we have, are split between Rugby-bio-stub, Rugbyunion-bio-stub and rugbyleague-bio-stub I suggest a {{Tl|Wheelchairrugby-bio-stub}} upmerged to {{cl|Rugby biography stubs}} till it reaches 60 just to avoid confusion as to where the articles belong. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 16:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:After checking {{cl|Rugby biography stubs}} out and properly sorting a few of its members, all but one remaining article is for wheelchair rugby. Personally I don't think the category should exist at all, for two distinct sports grouped because of a common name and a common historic root (note that in the non-bio equivalents, both are under {{cl|football stubs}} with the other codes of football, so {{cl|Rugby biography stubs}} is outside the regular tree system, having no sporting parent). Considering even the [[wheelchair rugby]] article states in its lead: "It has little in common with Rugby football except for the name" I don't think that is a good place to upmerge to. I would prefer to see either a range of tags or a single generic tag across paralympic sports, upmerging to either {{cl|Paralympics stubs}} or a newly created category. --[[User:Qetuth|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth|talk]]) 18:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with you over the rugby bio category, I don't think a paralympic bio category would be a good idea, may be upmerge to paralympic stubs for now and a category when it reached 60, given that I've moved a load out of Aussie rugby union bio stubs we have at least enough for a template and with the games coming up, hopefully will soon have enough for a category. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::To clarify, does anyone have an issue with creating the stub and upmerging to {{cl|Paralympics stubs}}? --[[User:Qetuth|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth|talk]]) 06:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::No problem here --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Split of {{cl|Paralympic medalist stubs}}===<br />
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Category is starting to get quite large, suggest splitting this by country, the following all have over 30 articles and I suspect at least some will pass 60 soon as I am adding more stub articles daily. <br />
*{{Tl|Brazil-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Brazilian Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Cuba-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Cuban Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Japan-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Japanese Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Mexico-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Mexican Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|NewZealand-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|New Zealand Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Russia-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Russian Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|SouthAfrica-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|South African Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Spain-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Spanish Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
*{{Tl|Ukraine-Paralympic-medalist-stub}} - {{Cl|Ukrainian Paralympic medalist stubs}}<br />
I am proposing we create the templates for now but if we get to the 60 mark in the next month or so then create the category. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 00:29, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good, and the templates are all speediable as other countries have already been started. --[[User:Qetuth|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth|talk]]) 07:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Category:All stubs===<br />
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I would like to see a category which holds all stub articles. Currently I'm using AWB to assemble a list of all stubs, which I will then run through, but it's very time consuming because many of the categories in Stub Types overlap. Articles can be tagged by more with more than one stub template. A category which held just articles would fix that, and it would also be useful because it could show how many stubs there are in en.wikipedia. It would be analagous to [[:Category:All orphaned articles]]. I have yet to find such a category, I don't think one exists, so I propose that one be made. [[User:Jesse V.|Jesse V.]] ([[User talk:Jesse V.|talk]]) 00:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There is one all-encompassing category: {{cl|Stub categories}}. Every article marked with a valid stub template (one that is constructed using {{tlx|asbox}}) will be in one to three stub categories, and every such stub category should be a direct member of {{cl|Stub categories}} (and will be automatically if the category page bears a {{tlx|Stub Category}}). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I've seen that category, and it holds only other categories. Like you described, articles can contain multiple stub tags, so recursively loading that list using AWB means that there's a great deal of overlap between all the sub-categories. This can cause AWB's request to time out, puts unnecessary strain on the servers, and takes a lot of CPU time for AWB to filter out all the duplicates. I have managed to assemble a complete list of Stubs, but it took several days, and I had to write a Java program to efficiently get rid of the large amount of duplicates. It would be much easier if there were a category that held just stubs, and not any sub-categories. It already exists for many other tags, such as Wikify, Orphan, Cleanup, etc. Please make one for Stubs. [[User:Jesse V.|Jesse V.]] ([[User talk:Jesse V.|talk]]) 17:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::I think the fact that there are so many articles marked with a stub template would make the category so large as to be almost useless and certainly much larger than for wikify, orphan etc. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 16:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::There are approximately 1.6 million stubs, according to the list I assembled after my Java program removed duplicates. That's quite a large category, a request for all articles would most likely cause a timeout somewhere. Hmm. [[User:Jesse V.|Jesse V.]] ([[User talk:Jesse V.|talk]]) 18:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Toy stubs===<br />
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There are currently over 900 stub-class articles in {{tl|WikiProject Toys}}. In sorting these articles into the proper stub categories, right now the only stub tag available is {{tl|Toy-stub}}. Therefore, I see the need for several new stub tags with corresponding sub-categories. I propose creating the following as children of {{cl|Toy stubs}}:<br />
* {{cl|Doll stubs}} with {{tl|Doll-stub}}: 399 articles; may require additional sub-categories of its own<br />
* {{cl|Lego stubs}} with {{tl|Lego-stub}}: 48 articles; but there may be more stub-class articles in {{tl|WikiProject Lego}} that fall into this category<br />
* {{cl|Puppet stubs}} with {{tl|Puppet-stub}}: 67 articles<br />
* {{cl|Toy company stubs}} with {{tl|Toy-company-stub}}: 255 articles<br />
There may be more, as I have only sorted through the B's so far alphabetically. But I already foresee the need for these stub categories, and it would be better to create them now, rather than have to re-sort {{cl|Toy stubs}} later, and update all the stub tags then. [[User:Fortdj33|Fortdj33]] ([[User talk:Fortdj33|talk]]) 18:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:'''Support''' these, assuming Lego reaches enough for a category - perhaps a broader category such as ''Construction toy stubs'' would be better, as long as it's not confused with toy construction. Also suggest a clear description at the top of the Doll stub category of what does and doesn't constitute a doll article for our purposes. (eg, Puppets are a subcat of dolls in the permcat, as are teddy bears).--[[User:Qetuth|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth|talk]]) 06:58, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Deprecation of <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>===<br />
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Since articles marked with <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> require sorting and it is unlikely that a case will occur where ''no'' stub category with an existing template is appropriate, the {{tlx|stub}} template and {{cl|Stubs}} should be marked as historical. [[User:G. C. Hood|G. C. Hood]] ([[User talk:G. C. Hood|talk]]) 03:32, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Perhaps {{tlx|stub}} could be given a notice - either on the template page, displayed in articles, or both - stating something along the lines aof the message at the top of {{cl|Stubs}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I strongly disagre with the deprication of {{tl|stub}}, however I do agree with your point that it's unlikely that an article won't fit into any stub category. Automatic or semi-automatic tools such as [[WP:AWB|AWB]] should be able to mark it as a stub, and it can later be categorized. The call for expansion is present whether {{tl|stub}} is used or any other stub template, and that's the important thing. [[User:Jesse V.|Jesse V.]] ([[User talk:Jesse V.|talk]]) 00:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I think we need a stub tag we can tell users (both human and bots) to use for tagging clear stubs without needing to navigate the whole stub category tree. {{tl|stub}} fits this need. Stub sorters can then sort them correctly. Note that a few times I saw {{tl|stub}}s that even I couldn't sort. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד&nbsp;מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od&nbsp;Mishehu]] 04:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==={{cl|Marrakesh-Tensift-El Haouz geography stubs}}===<br />
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Speedy request. To pick up {{tl|MarrakeshTensiftElHaouz-geo-stub}} (83 P). Main article: [[Marrakesh-Tensift-El Haouz]]. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==={{cl|Asian airport stubs}}===<br />
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Propose country level templates for all Asian countries with population > 20 million. The list here includes only countries which do not have templates yet:<br />
* {{tl|Afghanistan-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Bangladesh-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Burma-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Iraq-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Japan-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Nepal-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|SaudiArabia-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|SouthKorea-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|SriLanka-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Syria-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Taiwan-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Thailand-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Uzbekistan-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Vietnam-airport-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|Yemen-airport-stub}}<br />
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 10:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
*'''Support''' given that {{cl|Asian airport stubs}} contains 550 articles and just four country-specific stub templates. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:34, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==={{cl|Souss-Massa-Drâa geography stubs}}===<br />
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Speedy request. To pick up {{tl|SoussMassaDrâa-geo-stub}} (164 P).<br />
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 12:26, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==={{tl|NorthKorea-airport-stub}}===<br />
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Propose new template. Will triple-upmerge to:<br />
# {{cl|Asian airport stubs}}<br />
# {{cl|North Korea transport stubs}}<br />
# {{cl|North Korean building and structure stubs}}<br />
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 16:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
*'''Support''' I count 47 airports in {{cl|North Korea transport stubs}} alone; also two airfields and an air force base. (i.e. all bar [[Rungra Bridge]]). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Various stub templates, no cats===<br />
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Confession time. I've created several stub templates, mainly in order to facilitate the clearing-out of [[Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories]] but also to tidy up one or two other anomalies.<br />
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These are as follows: {{tlx|1890s-comedy-film-stub}}; {{tlx|1900s-horror-film-stub}}; {{tlx|1910s-horror-film-stub}}; {{tlx|1920s-horror-film-stub}}; {{tlx|Ecuador-road-stub}}; {{tlx|NorthKorea-railstation-stub}}; {{tlx|Pakistan-railstation-stub}}; {{tlx|Portugal-gov-stub}}; {{tlx|Syria-gov-stub}}; {{tlx|Vietnam-railstation-stub}}.<br />
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Not sure whether these qualify under "speedy creation", so I'm listing them all here. I've not created any new categories: all of these upmerge into existing stub cats (although {{tlx|NorthKorea-railstation-stub}} could really do with upmerging into non-existent {{cl|North Korean building and structure stubs}} instead of {{cl|Asian building and structure stubs}}). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Support.''' For both the new standard templates, and speedy support for the North Korean structure category. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 17:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:*{{Done}} the creation of {{cl|North Korean building and structure stubs}}; have amended {{diff|Template:NorthKorea-struct-stub|prev|502288701|NorthKorea-struct-stub}} and {{diff|Template:NorthKorea-railstation-stub|prev|502288970|NorthKorea-railstation-stub}} to sit in it - it didn't take long for 81 articles to also move themselves into the new cat. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
*Add to the initial list: {{tlx|SriLanka-railstation-stub}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
*Also {{tlx|Austria-railstation-stub}} for which I also created {{cl|Austria transport stubs}}. Unfortunately that came out at 49 articles, not the ~60 that I thought I counted in {{cl|Austria stubs}}, {{cl|European railway station stubs}} and {{cl|Austrian building and structure stubs}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:Category:Asian law stubs]]===<br />
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[[:Category:Asian law stubs]] contains 84 articles and two country-specific stub templates. Not all of the cat's members use those two templates - the following six are placed directly into the category: [[Adat]]; [[Attorney General of Sri Lanka]]; [[Attorney General of the Maldives]]; [[Attorney-General's Department (Sri Lanka)]]; [[Chief Justice of Malaysia]]; [[Chief Justice of Singapore]]. Should we create five country-specific templates for these (Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, Singapore, Sri Lanka), or one generic stub template? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I think we should have an {{tl|Asia-law-stub}} - there are probably more stubs that would have it if it had existed --[[User:Qetuth|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth|talk]]) 01:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
::No objections, so {{done|created}} --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==={{cl|Morocco geography stubs}}===<br />
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This one slid into the oversized category this month. Propose exploratory templates by region.<br />
* {{tl|ChaouiaOuardigha-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|DoukkalaAbda-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|FèsBoulemane-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|GharbChrardaBéniHssen-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|GrandCasablanca-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|GuelmimEsSemara-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|LaâyouneBoujdourSakiaElHamra-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|MarrakeshTensiftElHaouz-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|MeknèsTafilalet-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|OrientalMA-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|OuedEdDahabLagouira-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|RabatSaléZemmourZaer-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|SoussMassaDrâa-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|TadlaAzilal-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|TangierTetouan-geo-stub}}<br />
* {{tl|TazaAlHoceimaTaounate-geo-stub}}<br />
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==={{cl|Medical and health professional association stubs}}===<br />
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There are 25 articles in {{cl|Professional association stubs}} that would be better categorized with this stub, and I counted 46 in {{cl|Scientific organization stubs}} before stopping at the end of ''M'' (it's a bit of work counting these, I'd rather just go through and add/replace the stub once it's made).[[User:TimofKingsland|TimofKingsland]] ([[User talk:TimofKingsland|talk]]) 07:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
: Added as {{cl|Medical association stubs}}. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 01:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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