imported>PCN02WPS: from what I can see, there are 4 supports (one editor's support statement says that they do not support the proposal) and 4 opposes; concerns raised are valid and discussion has stalled for over a year, with the only action since that being a single support

2023-02-09T20:40:34Z

from what I can see, there are 4 supports (one editor's support statement says that they do not support the proposal) and 4 opposes; concerns raised are valid and discussion has stalled for over a year, with the only action since that being a single support

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:''The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council|WikiProject Council]]). No further edits should be made to this page.''


The proposed WikiProject was '''not created'''. [[User:PCN02WPS|'''PCN02WPS''']] ([[User talk:PCN02WPS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS|contribs]]) 20:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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===Description===
ProjectDescription [[User:Qwerfjkl|Qwerfjkl]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|talk]] 14:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (on behalf of {{IPuser2|100.2.238.109|WikiProject SpaceX
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'''List of important pages and categories for this proposed group'''
* {{la|List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches}} 
* {{la|Falcon 9}}
* {{la|SpaceX}}
* {{lc|SpaceX}} (number of pages in the category:19 )
* {{lc|Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches}} (number of pages in the category: 59 ) 

;List of WikiProjects currently on the [[WP:TALK|talk pages]] of those articles
:Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory]] to find similar WikiProjects.
* {{lw|WikiProject Spaceflight}}
* {{lw|WikiProject Space}}
* {{lw|WikiProject Rocketry}}
;Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
:Your answer goes here.
Because they are far too broad to provide significant coverage to SpaceX alone.
===Support===
Also, specify whether or not you would join the project.
#[[User:Qwerfjkl|Qwerfjkl]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|talk]] 14:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (on behalf of {{IPuser2|100.2.238.109|WikiProject SpaceX
}}{{small| Note: I will not join.}}
#As nominator, I would of course join -- [[User:100.2.238.109|100.2.238.109]][[User talk:100.2.238.109|talk]]
#I do not support this. It would not be easy to manage and we should just keep the SpaceX taskforce for now.[[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] [[User Talk:StarshipSLS|talk]]
#I would join this. [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] [[User Talk:Starship SN20|talk]]
# '''Support''' I would join, both the TaskForce and this WikiProject [[User:Renaissance domenic|Renaissance domenic]] ([[User talk:Renaissance domenic|talk]]) 02:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
## Can you invite me if this WikiProject is created? [[User:Renaissance domenic|Renaissance domenic]] ([[User talk:Renaissance domenic|talk]]) 02:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
===Discussion===
There has already been proposal for this, but the consensus was that a working group within project spaceflight would be much more beneficial and easier to manage. (But no group was ever created) [[User:N828335|N828335]] ([[User talk:N828335|talk]]) 20:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes. I know. EVen if a group is created, WikiProject spaceflight simply is too broad (and therefore has many other articles to manage), so it will quickly fall apart or still not have an adequete amount of people to provide a substainsial amount of focus to it. ALso, if it is created, would you like to join it? If you would, please add your name to the support list.
{{Ping|N828335}}
::{{Ping|N828335}} The working group was actually created at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/SpaceX working group]] would join this if it was created, but I do not directly support it. [[User: StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] [[User Talk:StarshipSLS|talk]]

:::{{Ping|StarshipSLS}} (As you may have noticed) I have not been super active lately and I wasn't aware of it's existence until now. It's great that it has been created. Will contribute to it in the future. [[User:N828335|N828335]] ([[User talk:N828335|talk]]) 00:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Even so, WikiProject Spaceflight is simply to broad to cover SpaceX in the way that it needs. Spaceflight can only devote so many people in a taskforce. It is nessecary to have a seperate wikiproject. Perhaps the taskforce's editors should be pinged to see if they would want to join this if it was created, which they probably would.
:::{{Ping|N828335}}
:::{{Ping|StarshipSLS}} [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 19:04, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''': The proposed project's scope is too narrow. Try and expand the efforts of the above mentioned working group instead. --[[User:Askeuhd|askeuhd]] ([[User talk:Askeuhd|talk]]) 22:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
::WikiProject Spaceflight has clearly been unable to give SpaceX the amount of coverage it needs, as it is simply too broad. The SpaceX task force was not created for a long time, and still is not giving enough coverage as there are only 3 editors on it. The taskforce has been the opposite of easy to manage.
::@[[User:Askeuhd|Askeuhd]] [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 17:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] And an entire project would be even more difficult! [[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] ([[User Talk:StarshipSLS|Talk]]), ([[Special:Contributions/StarshipSLS|My Contributions]]) 01:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
::::No, it would not. The taskforce had ''3'' people in it. A wikiproject will have tens or hundreds. With an a actual wikiproject, there will be enough infrastructure to manage it, and with more people, more will get done. [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 14:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Askeuhd|Askeuhd]]@[[User:N828335|N828335]]@[[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 14:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
{{outdent}} If the Taskforce is too hard to manage, then the WikiProject will be also. For that reason, I still '''oppose'''. As an aside, it's important to consider [[WP:NPOV]]. The fandom surrounding SpaceX has led to the company being portrayed in a positive light in many of their articles, and I think a WikiProject solely for them might compound this. (Though it is worth mentioning that there are other Wikiprojects surrounding a single corporate entity, i.e. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Apple Inc.]]) [[User:N828335|N828335]] ([[User talk:N828335|talk]]) 15:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]]@[[User:N828335|N828335]]: I Oppose too. Maybe if the Starship program is success, we can reconsider. But for now, we'll stay with the task force. [[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] ([[User Talk:StarshipSLS|Talk]]), ([[Special:Contributions/StarshipSLS|My Contributions]]) 19:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
::If a Wikiproject Apple exists, than why can't a Wikiproject SpaceX exist. They both are very notable and have a lot of articles. Whether or not the starship program succeeds, SpaceX is still a major company, with a lot of articles, and needs a WikiProject. The positive light comes from the fact that for years they were potrayed in a very negative light. A WikiProject will have a large amount of manegment pages, and more people focused on that, and will be managable.
::@[[User:Askeuhd|Askeuhd]]@[[User:N828335|N828335]]@[[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 12:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:::A WikiProject doesn't magically lead to more editors. It will consume some time managing the project, however. That is useful if there are many people editing the pages and the coordination benefit outweighs the effort. I don't see this at the moment. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 13:10, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Having a WikiProject will be noticed. If, say 1000 people notice it, some are bound to want to join. At the moment, this is just a prposal. Very few people look at proposals for wikiprojects. @[[User:Askeuhd|Askeuhd]]@[[User:Mfb|Mfb]]@[[User:N828335|N828335]]@[[User:StarshipSLS|StarshipSLS]] [[User:Starship SN20|Starship SN20]] ([[User talk:Starship SN20|talk]]) 22:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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imported>PCN02WPS: from what I can see, there are 4 supports (one editor's support statement says that they do not support the proposal) and 4 opposes; concerns raised are valid and discussion has stalled for over a year, with the only action since that being a single support