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Replaced obsolete font tags and reduced Lint errors. (Task 12)

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= October 20 =

== Problem with bot ==

A bot tagged a image here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seven_Sages_of_Greece.jpg now after the bot resized the image, considers it not free, and states it will be deleted because it is not used in an article. However, the image is still used in article space, and it is unclear why after resize it should be suddenly unfree.... [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 00:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:It's not saying the current version will be deleted: only the previous version, as that is not being used in any article. [[User:Adam9007|Adam9007]] ([[User talk:Adam9007|talk]]) 00:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Oh yeah, just noticed this, a bit confusing. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 00:25, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]], I've reverted the bot. In cases like this, where the text itself is the only copyrightable element (it's just a lot of characters, not some original image), the resolution doesn't matter for copyright purposes; if reduction is necessary, the proper approach is cropping to get rid of some of the text. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 05:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::::{{re|Maproom|Prokaryotes}} Well, all that is all nice and fun, but if the author is [[Arthur Surridge Hunt]] as claimed by the file info, he died in 1934 (and 2017 > 1934 + 70, the UK being a 70years post mortem autoris country). Putting aside the original copyright of whoever wrote the fragment in ancient Greek (...) it would mean the file itself is free, cropping or not. This seems to be what the original complaint was about.
::::My money is that for some reason the image was tagged as non-free (I am not going to bother looking at the page history to know what happened) and ''then'' a bot decided that its resolution should be reduced (not that the bot decided on its own to reduce resolution and un-free the image). [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 11:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]], the someone was Prokaryotes; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=805919116 here] is the original revision of the page, as it was when Prokaryotes uploaded it. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 11:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*OK, I made it a free file. The confusing thing is that [https://archive.org/details/selectpapyriwith03huntuoft the archive.org link] gives a 1959 publication date, but of course the original was published while the authors were alive, [http://0-www.worldcat.org.novacat.nova.edu/title/select-papyri/oclc/849260 in 1932]. [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 12:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::*However, this is a page from a compilation first published in 1941 and republished (and possibly re-edited) in 1959. Editors have a copyright in the collection as a whole (selection, composition, layout) and in any substantive ("creative") modifications. I think the assumption that there is no post-Hunt copyrightable material here is reasonable, but it is hard to prove. Ideally, we would find a work by Hunt himself that includes this passage. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 15:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Ugh. Well, that serves me well for trying to touch a copyright issue. Feel free to revert me, I will leave that to wiser people. [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 15:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
* I'm not competent to do it, but it would be better to find Hunt's original of this, which is somewhere in the 14 volumes of [[Oxyrhynchus Papyri]] that he and a co-author published in 1904, and reference it directly. Those are out of copyright and are available on-line. In my opinion there is no value in using an image of a page of a 1959 book (or even of a 1904 book) that contains only typecast English words: a referenced quote is better. However, Hunt's work also contains some plates of the actual Papyri, so you may get lucky and find this particular Papyrus fragment there, and that would certainly be a good image for us. (Fun fact: "papyri" is the plural of "papyrus". the things you learn while editing the help desk). -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 16:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[James Martineau]]==
If you are interested - there is a HUGE picture of James Martineau half way down on his page. Should it be made smaller? I cannot do this myself - Thanks [[Special:Contributions/139.216.210.155|139.216.210.155]] ([[User talk:139.216.210.155|talk]]) 00:57, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:Have done this edit. [[User:NZ Footballs Conscience|NZFC]][[User talk:NZ Footballs Conscience|(talk)]] 02:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Gnostic Gospels ==

Why is the talk page of the category showing up in the category at [[:Category:Gnostic Gospels]]. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 01:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
* This is a mess. The category talk page has a bunch of project templates. These templates are intended for use in article talk pages. Unfortunately, they are adding the talk pages including this one to categories. I'm not sure how (or if) this should be corrected. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 03:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:*I deleted both pages. After waiting some minutes, I undeleted the category and then created the talk page anew with the same contents. It's fine at the moment; let's see if "fine" persists. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 11:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== How can I increase the size of Font .I cant read this size of font ==

'''How to Increase size of font. I cant read Wikipedia as font writing to small. Thank you
''' — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Advent59|Advent59]] ([[User talk:Advent59#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Advent59|contribs]]) 02:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC) 
*The font size is controlled by your browser. Look at your browser's help text, or do a web search : e.g., google for "chrome font size" or "firefox font size" or "ie font size". -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 03:18, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Advent59}} Some users accidentally change their browser font size, e.g. by holding down Ctrl while scrolling on the mouse. In many browsers, {{keypress|Ctrl|+}} zooms in, {{keypress|Ctrl|-}} zooms out, and {{keypress|Ctrl|0}} resets. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== About.com as a source ==

Is about.com a reliable source for a Wikipedia article? [[Quarantine tank|This article]] has it as its only source, and I'm not sure if it counts. Thanks.
[[User:Antrogh|Antrogh]] ([[User talk:Antrogh|talk]]) 03:02, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*Questions about specific sources are answered at [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]]. There is a search feature there. about.com appears to be a perennial favourite, and the answer appears to be :"it depends". Perhaps you can look at some of the answers there, and if none of them are congruent with your example, ask your question there. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 05:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:*[[User:Antrogh|Antrogh]], who are Stan & Debbie Hauter, and who reviewed their work? Remember that this website, which publishes on a ton of sources, cannot be a specialist in all of them, and if they hired lots of specialists (as a professional encyclopedia's editorial board does), they'd be attributed. Lacking any evidence of the first, and having evidence against the second, we have to conclude that it's not a reliable source. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 11:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Geisslerlieder ==

{{Moved discussion from|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Geisslerlieder|2=[[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User talk:Alex Shih|Talk]] 05:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)}}

The article [[Geisslerlieder]], basically is about songs. However it is totally skewed without giving any references on most parts. Should this be nominated for AFD? [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:49, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:The article has general references - not specific ones - see [[Wikipedia:Inline citation]]. You could ask for in-line citations using [[Template:More footnotes]]. It would have been better to ask this at [[WP:Help Desk]]. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 01:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::(1) Skewed in what way? (2) AfD's under what policy? It doesn't have, and should have, footnotes, but it does cite two apparently legitimate sources. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::BTW, these are not really questions for AN. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Okay. So far when i looked at the two cites they were about music in general. [[User:Prokaryotes|prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 12:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Cannot create a Wiki article ==

I would like to create a much needed Wiki article on dual citizenship in Lithuania.
Here is the issue: I cannot in any way get passed "Before you create an article" page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Dual+citizenship+in+Lithuania). I've tried seemingly everything.
I am familiar with referencing, notability, archiving and so on. While I do not know everything about Wiki, no "rookie course" is necessary as my German account has created 100+ Wiki articles.[[User:Istorijos.archyvas|Istorijos.archyvas]] ([[User talk:Istorijos.archyvas|talk]]) 08:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:What do you mean by not being able to get past the page you linked? It's unclear what your specific problem is. Tell us what things you have tried so that we can understand what your problem is. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 08:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:Also: You haven't got a German account under that account name. You only need one account for all Wikipedia sites now, you can use your German one here.- [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 08:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*I would assume the problem {{U|Istorijos.archyvas}} is meeting is that they cannot create an article directly in the mainspace due to [[WP:ACTRIAL]]. If so, the simplest is probably to use through the [[Wikipedia:Article wizard|Article wizard]]. [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 09:51, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*: ... <s>or use the German account as suggested by X201</s>. [[User:Dbfirs|''Dbfirs'']] 11:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*::{{re|Dbfirs}} I do not think you get [[WP:AUTOCONFIRMED]] by edits of other wikis. (At least, on fr-wp you don't get access levels based on en-wp edits; it seems unlikely to be different the other way around, and could not find documentation to the contrary.) Maybe a [[Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed]] would be accepted based on sister project edits, but I am not sure it is worth the hassle. [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 11:48, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*:::Oh, sorry. I've withdrawn my suggestion above. I'd assumed that a long-standing editor on the German Wikipedia would automatically have autoconfirmed status on the English, but it seems I'm wrong in my assumption. Apologies. Your solution is therefore most appropriate, or {{u|Istorijos.archyvas}} could just make a few more edits under that user name and wait until the 20th, or make ten edits here using the German account. [[User:Dbfirs|''Dbfirs'']] 11:59, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Istorijos.archyvas}} You can create articles in mainspace at the English Wikipedia when your account is four days old and has ten edits. You passed four days an hour ago and have seven edits so just make three more edits anywhere at en.wikipedia.org. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Where are the instructions for making a notice appear whenever someone attempts to edit a page? ==

Where are the instructions for making a notice appear whenever someone attempts to edit a page?

What I want to do is to make it so that whenever someone tries to edit [[List of Subaru engines]] they get a big notice saying "Stop! If you are about to add information on the engine codes EZ30R, EZ36R, EJ20T or EJ20TT, STOP NOW! Those engines do not exist. Someone put some false information on the Internet and it has spread to multiple site that are too lazy to check the official Subaru sources."

--[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 10:02, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Re|Guy Macon}} You are looking for [[Wikipedia:Editnotice]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Re|Guy Macon}} That sounds to me like overkill. Would it not be better to create a new section ('Apocryphal engines', perhaps?) in the article detailing these facts (with an appropriate citation or two, of course)? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/90.211.128.226|90.211.128.226]] ([[User talk:90.211.128.226|talk]]) 10:22, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::Most likely there are no sources for "engine XXX does not exist". But this looks like a good case for a [[WP:COMMENT]]. [[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]][[User talk:Tigraan|Click here to contact me]] 11:33, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Alas, the false information gets inserted in random places in the article, so a comment is of little use.
:::I just tried putting in an edit notice[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Subaru_engines&type=revision&diff=806245269&oldid=806192668][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Subaru_engines&type=revision&diff=806245431&oldid=806245269] but it displayed when I read the page, not when I opened an edit window. Could someone take a look and see what I did wrong? [[Wikipedia:Editnotice#Other namespaces]] says "Editnotices for other namespaces and for user subpages can be created and edited only by admins and template editors" so I was expecting an error message about not having the proper permissions. -[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 18:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::::It has to be created at [[Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Subaru engines]]. Only admins and template editors can edit there. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Information on how to request one is at [[WP:Editnotice]].[[User:Naraht|Naraht]] ([[User talk:Naraht|talk]]) 20:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Problems with Wikilink ==

It looks like [[Minchee]] and the Portuguese article [[:pt:Minchi|Minchi]] refer to the very same thing (a kind of meat dish in Macau) and I cannot Wikilink the Portuguese "Minchi" into the English "Minchee". [[User:Komitsuki|Komitsuki]] ([[User talk:Komitsuki|talk]]) 11:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:They had separate Wikidata items. I have merged them at Wikidata. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Komitsuki|Komitsuki]] ([[User talk:Komitsuki|talk]]) 12:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Added TemplateData for [[Template:Infobox_synthesizer]], but no info is showing up in the visual editor. ==

I've added TemplateData for {{tl|infobox synthesizer}} on the ''documentation page'' of the template, but after 12 hours there's still no template parameter information in the visual editor. Did I do something wrong? — [[User:Kakurady|Kakurady]] ([[User talk:Kakurady|talk]]) 12:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== "Break for editing"? ==

Excuse me, but what exactly is meant by that term [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Break_for_editing|here]]? And can one still give a vote on that issue?--[[User:Cleph|Cleph]] ([[User talk:Cleph|talk]]) 13:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:A section header created so that those who respond don't have to load *all* previous responses into their edit window. And definitely. And I'm not sure that VPP is the place for such a significant vote, but I'm not sure what is the place. I've already voted to Keep the RD.[[User:Naraht|Naraht]] ([[User talk:Naraht|talk]]) 13:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! Best regards--[[User:Cleph|Cleph]] ([[User talk:Cleph|talk]]) 13:49, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:I will opine here that 'Break for editing' and 'Arbitrary break' and other such headings are the epitome of poorly chosen names. These section headings are included in watch lists and article histories but, in the context of these lists, give no indication of the discussion's subject. I urge anyone who is adding these kinds of section headings to choose a name that reflects the topic of the discussion.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Album Art Help ==

I'm a beginner to editing and creating Wikipedia articles, so please go easy on me. When I insert the link to an album art image on the album info template, it doesn't appear. Why is that? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Justus et peccator|Justus et peccator]] ([[User talk:Justus et peccator#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justus et peccator|contribs]]) 17:19, 20 October 2017 (UTC) 
: I presume you are referring to [[User:Justus et peccator/sandbox]], where you are trying to link the infobox template to an ''external'' image. The [[:Template:Infobox album]] gives instructions for the "cover" parameter: {{tq|[[Special:Upload|Upload]] a copy of the album cover (under [[fair use]]). The image will display in the infobox in its real size, capped by the value of the user's "Thumbnail size" parameter in his or her appearance preferences.}} I hope this helps. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 18:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
*As Eggishorn said, you must upload an image. But uploading an image is a daunting task for a new editor. Please do not get discouraged. We try to make it as easy as possible, but we also take copyright law very seriously, and this forces us to ask a bunch of complicated questions. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 00:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Bear in mind that non-free fair use images can be used only in article namespace, not in a draft in userspace. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 04:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Elijah Muhammad ==

The Muhammad Speaks Newspaper was the 1st. paper , not the Final Call.

Thank You. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.184.216.45|73.184.216.45]] ([[User talk:73.184.216.45#top|talk]]) 20:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC) 
:Which of our 5 million articles does this refer to? [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 12:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Not sure where the disputed claim is made, but likely something related to [[Nation of Islam]]. [[Muhammad Speaks]] and [[The Final Call]] were founded by Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan respectively, so it's probably something about being the first official publication of Nation of Islam. [[User:Mduvekot|Mduvekot]] ([[User talk:Mduvekot|talk]]) 12:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Hide page HotCat categorisation in my watchlist ==

I already have ''page categorisation'' checked in my watchlist "hide" options. However, I continue to see categorisations made by the HotCat gadget. Is there any way to hide these as well? Thanks.—[[User:Cpt.a.haddock|Cpt.a.haddock]] ([[User talk:Cpt.a.haddock|talk]]) (please ping when replying) 20:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Cpt.a.haddock}} "Hide categorization of pages" only affects category pages you are watching. It hides pages being added to or removed from the category. There is no feature to hide categories being added to a page you are watching. For the specific case of HotCat, I guess a user script could be written (not by me) to look for "using HotCat" in the edit summary and hide the edit after the watchlist has loaded. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:33, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
::{{re|PrimeHunter}} Thank you. I suppose the other thing that could be done is to get the HotCat script to mark its edits as minor (by default).—[[User:Cpt.a.haddock|Cpt.a.haddock]] ([[User talk:Cpt.a.haddock|talk]]) (please ping when replying) 09:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think it would follow [[Help:Minor edit]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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