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= October 14 =

==[[Sir Edward Bullock]]==
Please place the dots under the letter "C" to mean "circa" in the picture box. I cannot do this Thanks[[Special:Contributions/120.150.115.66|120.150.115.66]] ([[User talk:120.150.115.66|talk]]) 00:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:I've never heard of dots under the letter. Can you point to an example?--[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#000E2F;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">S Philbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 01:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:The question probably relates to the template {{tl|circa}}.
:*<code><nowiki>(c. 1580 - 1644)</nowiki></code> → (c. 1580 - 1644)
:*<code><nowiki>({{circa|1580|1644}})</nowiki></code> → ({{circa|1580|1644}})
:[[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Bullock family]]==
Can the dots under the letter "C" (circa) also be placed in the pic of Sir Edward Bullock on the [[Bullock family]] page. This should also be done (please) on the pic of Sir Edward on his own page - [[Sir Edward Bullock]]. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/101.182.55.173|101.182.55.173]] ([[User talk:101.182.55.173|talk]]) 02:59, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, it can be. †<span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|dismas]]</span>†|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

==Multiple reverts of non-vandalistic edits needed==

I was reading the entry for the film [[Hobo with a Shotgun]]. There are a number of recent edits to the page (from a single user) that are ungrammatical and/or unnecessary . More than three. I checked the user's page (88.190.17.40) and randomly looked at edits to other pages they have made. There are many other examples of ungrammatical or unnecessary edits by the user that make the pages in question less good. I think the user is a well-intentioned young person in France that speaks English better than I speak French, but not well enough to edit English Wikipedia articles. I don't see how I can fix them without exceeding the three-revert rule. I also think the user could use some guidance from an expert Wikipedian.<small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:173.22.224.41|173.22.224.41]] ([[User talk:173.22.224.41#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/173.22.224.41|contribs]]) 04:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)</small>

: Just to explain, multiple undos in a group, such as you are taling about, constitute ''one'' revert. To quote [[WP:3RR]]: "A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert."
: 3RR applies to back-and-forth edits. X edits, Y reverts. X tries again, Y reverts. X tries a third time, Y reverts. At this point, Y has hit the 3RR limit and needs to ask another editor for help.
: Another thing you can do, if the edits to be undone are all the most recent edits, then pull up the last good version, edit ''that'' and, after reading the big warning, save with an appropriate edit message. [[Special:Contributions/104.153.72.218|104.153.72.218]] ([[User talk:104.153.72.218|talk]]) 10:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear explanation. Quite a sensible rule. I appreciate the help!--[[Special:Contributions/173.22.224.41|173.22.224.41]] ([[User talk:173.22.224.41|talk]]) 08:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Sonia Rosemary Keppel]]==
Please place the accent over the word nee in the picture. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/101.182.55.173|101.182.55.173]] ([[User talk:101.182.55.173|talk]]) 05:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{done}} already, by an unregistered editor. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 06:31, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== Library Public Domain ==

According to [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3049158 Books from 1923 to 1941 Now Liberated!] and [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3049158 Creating a Last Twenty (L20) Collection: Implementing Section 108(H) in Libraries, Archives and Museums] certain books from 1923 to 1941 are now "Library Public Domain" and the Internet Archive has declared itself to be a library under the definition of the law. Is Wikisource a library under this law? Wikibooks? Wikipedia? Wikimedia Commons? --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 05:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

: {{ping|Guy Macon}} Maybe ask at [[WP:Media copyright questions]]? Because it's a novel and "creative" legal argument, I guess it would take lawyers getting involved, and it's not unimaginable that the Internet Archive would actually ask WMF to hold off to prevent the public appearance of a stampede through a loophole. [[Special:Contributions/104.153.72.218|104.153.72.218]] ([[User talk:104.153.72.218|talk]]) 11:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

::[[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Library Public Domain?]] --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 15:05, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Sonia Rosemary Keppel]]==
When I try to do an accent on the word "nee" in the caption underneath the picture of the lady, I fail. Please help. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:4F57:7700:95E7:784:E5C8:99B6|2001:8003:4F57:7700:95E7:784:E5C8:99B6]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:4F57:7700:95E7:784:E5C8:99B6|talk]]) 06:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{done}}. One way is to copy and paste "née" from here, or from any article which uses it. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 06:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:: ... which is among the advice given at [[User talk:Srbernadette#née (and e acute)]], and of course you made an offer at [[User talk:Srbernadette#Née]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 06:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::If you are using Windows, you can also enter the "é" by pressing the Alt key and then entering 130 in the numeric keyboard. –[[User:FlyingAce|FlyingAce]]<sup>[[User talk:FlyingAce|✈hello]]</sup> 20:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

== reference error ==

can someone fix my reference error on this [[Draft:Cleyson LeRoy (C. L.) Brown|page]]? [[User:Ramesty|Ramesty]] ([[User talk:Ramesty|talk]]) 14:51, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Do the help links in the error messages not explain why you are seeing those error messages and how the template may be fixed?
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ramesty}} {{fixed}} with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cleyson_LeRoy_(C._L.)_Brown&diff=805314578&oldid=805311845 this edit]. If you have not already done so, please see [[:WP:REFB]] for a basic guide to correctly adding references. Also [[:WP:RS]] in respect of acceptable sources. Thank you. [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 15:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:: I just didn't have time to fix it.[[User:Ramesty|Ramesty]] ([[User talk:Ramesty|talk]]) 01:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== Use and naming of article-specific templates ==

(Relist; [[WP:Help desk/Archives/2017 October 8#Did I do this template conversion right?|previous request]] got no response.)

In [[Special:Diff/804328730]], I converted the rows of a large table full of numbers in [[CAS latency]] to use helper templates to ensure the computation and formatting is consistent: [[Draft:CAS latency group]] and [[Draft:CAS latency row]]. I wonder if I did a reasonable job with the templates. In particular, how should such single-purpose templates be named? Is the Template: namespace even the right one?

Are the names okay? Documentation needs improvement? Any other comments? (Does this spreadsheet even belong in Wikipedia?)

The one thing I'm sure of is that a mainspace article shouldn't depend on draft-space templates in the long term, but where should they be moved to?

I could eliminate the "thirds" argument and derive it from the last digit of the frequency using <pre>{{#switch:{{#expr:{{{frequency}}} mod 10}}|3=1|6=2|7=-1|0}}</pre> but is it worth the complexity?

I've never done this sort of thing before, so I'd like to solicit review. [[Special:Contributions/104.153.72.218|104.153.72.218]] ([[User talk:104.153.72.218|talk]]) 16:04, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:It looks good. Article space does not have subpages so they should definitely be in template space. IP's cannot create pages there. I have moved them to [[Template:CAS latency/group]] and [[Template:CAS latency/row]] to hint the connection to [[CAS latency]]. I have updated the article to use them directly. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

== Infobox question ==

What have I done wrong on [[Abigail Smith]] that the thesis title and link aren't displaying in the infobox? [[User:Stuartyeates|Stuartyeates]] ([[User talk:Stuartyeates|talk]]) 19:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Fixed/Fudged for now. Looks like <code>thesis</code> doesn't work anymore and the docs haven't been updated. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 19:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== Invisible characters causing corruption ==

The lead of [[Qadir Bux Bedil]] displays (1873-1815) as birth/death which should be reversed. I can't correct this because something in the preceding template with the Sindi language text is affecting the dates. If I try to highlight the Sindi text, I notice some funny behavior which leads me to believe there are some invisible characters in there causing trouble. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 19:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 19:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::And I have made an edit to hopefully prevent editors from swapping the years again.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qadir_Bux_Bedil&diff=805349853&oldid=805349165] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== can't rename ==

I'm trying to move [[Kraft Foods Inc]] to [[Kraft Foods Inc.]], but it won't let me. Is that because there's already a redirect at [[Kraft Foods Inc.]] that'll have to be deleted first? —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 22:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, the redirect {{no redirect|Kraft Foods Inc.}} has a history so the move needs to be requested. See [[WP:RM#TR]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 23:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

:Unless there is some special reason, the article should be called [[Kraft Foods]], {{U|scs|Steve}}. See [[WP:NCCORP]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 00:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

:: That's what I thought, but [[Kraft Foods]] exists and describes a significantly different incarnation of the company. See the dab note there. I don't have the energy to disentangle all that and figure out a better way of disambiguating it, but in the meantime I figured I could at least fix the the punctuation in the current scheme. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 01:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I have moved it. Per [[WP:MOR]] only administrators can move over a redirect with other history than redirecting to the source of the move. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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