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= November 14 =

==2018 SEC football standings template==
Can you Move the 2018 SEC football standings template from the talk page to the draft page please. I would except it. [[Special:Contributions/68.102.39.189|68.102.39.189]] ([[User talk:68.102.39.189|talk]]) 01:09, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:Hello, IP editor. I see that [[Template talk:2018 SEC football standings]] was deleted earlier today, as it was a talk page dependent on a nonexistent page, so I have asked the admin who processed this deletion to restore the contents as a draft. –[[User:FlyingAce|FlyingAce]][[User talk:FlyingAce|✈hello]] 01:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::I have undeleted the page and moved it to [[Draft:2018 SEC football standings]]. -- [[User:Edgar181|Ed]] ([[User talk:Edgar181|Edgar181]]) 12:16, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

==[[Stephen Bachiler]]==
Please help me place the new file of coat-of-arms at top of page, if that is appropriate. Also, should we remove notice about not enough citations? I have added many more. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/203.132.68.1|203.132.68.1]] ([[User talk:203.132.68.1|talk]]) 01:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:The image is fine where it is. I've removed the {{tlx|refimprove}} tag: a minority of statements are still unreferenced, but the overall referencing has been much improved and unless nominated for Good or Featured Article it now appears ample. You're entitled to remove such "[[WP:template messages|maintenance tags]]" yourself where appropriate, guided by [[Help:Maintenance template removal]], which is linked from every tag[[User:Noyster|: Noyster]] [[User talk:Noyster| (talk), ]] 16:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

==Wikitext search==
Is it possible to search the original Wikitext of articles? I'm wanting to find articles in the living people category which link to specific articles, such as [[United Kingdom general election, 1950]], but in many cases the links are piped, so a search for incategory:"Living people" "United Kingdom general election, 1950" is not finding them. I could try and check every link coming in to the article in question, but there are more than 1,000 for this article alone, so I'm hoping for an automated method and being able to search the original Wikitext would solve this. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 02:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:See [[Help:Searching]] and [[:mw:Help:CirrusSearch]] for options. There is <code>insource:</code> but you can also use <code>linksto:</code>. {{search link|incategory:"Living people" linksto:"United Kingdom general election, 1950"}}. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::Brilliant, thank you, that will save loads of time! [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 02:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

==Collapsed text not displaying==
I've been working on formatting something on a different wiki, and when I collapse a specific text it shows up as {{{1}}}, and I cannot figure out why. I have checked for extra brackets and could not find any. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:18f:800:1dd9:d16c:c408:3c5d:4304|2601:18f:800:1dd9:d16c:c408:3c5d:4304]] ([[User talk:2601:18f:800:1dd9:d16c:c408:3c5d:4304#top|talk]]) 03:32, 14 November 2017‎ (UTC)
:You haven't given much detail here, but one thing to check is whether the collapsed text contains an equals sign anywhere, for example, hidden inside a URL. The workaround is to stick <code>1=</code> in front of the text: <code><nowiki>{{My collapse template|Some text with an = sign}}</nowiki></code> won't work, but <code><nowiki>{{My collapse template|1=Some text with an = sign}}</nowiki></code> should be OK. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 08:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::That is certainly the most likely explanation when {{{1}}} is displayed. It's the issue at the first bullet at [[Help:Template#Usage hints and workarounds]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sean Bean Page Awards Update ==

Hello,

Can you please update Sean Bean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bean)'s page with his recent wins.

These are:

Royal Television Society - North West Awards
Best Performance in a Single Drama or Drama Series (Male): Sean Bean
https://rts.org.uk/award/regional-awards-north-west-2017

Cologne Film Festival
The Hollywood Reporter Award
http://filmfestival.cologne/en/film-festival-cologne-award/the-hollywood-reporter-award/

Many thanks. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.87.27.34|80.87.27.34]] ([[User talk:80.87.27.34#top|talk]]) 13:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

:{{Done}} Thank you for the suggestion: there's nothing to stop you making such edits yourself{{snd}}the [[Sean Bean]] article is under "[[WP:pending changes|pending changes]]" protection so edits by non-registered users will be reviewed by someone else before they go live, but you can still make the edits, and especially if you learn how to [[WP:REFB|format references]] your edits will be very welcome[[User:Noyster|: Noyster]] [[User talk:Noyster| (talk), ]] 16:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Re-assess ==

I have posted to a couple of relevant Wikiprojects requesting any uninvolved editor to re-asses [[Mustang District]], quite unsuccessfully. It still is assessed as a stub! Where else can I go to have an uninvolved editor to asses it? [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya]]([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]]) 15:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:I changed it to B-class. [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 17:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks a ton. One question, should this remain a low importance article? After all it a whole district. May be mid importance? [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya]]([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]]) 02:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I changed it to mid. [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 14:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== I'm not "cool" ==

Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Christmas_Eve_Cover_KC this] request at FFU. I... honestly didn't know that online singles had their own cover art, and I really have no idea if one pulled from the iTunes page is in any way authoritative as the official cover art. Anybody "cool" around with any insight? [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 16:05, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Top 100 DJs ==

Hello

The 2017 part of [[List of DJ Magazine's Top 100 DJs]] is just not true.

Can someone block the person who did this?

Thanks

[[User:WhatsUpWorld|WhatsUpWorld]] ([[User talk:WhatsUpWorld|talk]]) 17:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
: {{ReplyTo|WhatsUpWorld}} Please be more specific about what is wrong. The list in the article appears to match the source. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::The "Top 100 DJs – 2017" does not match its unique source. [[User:WhatsUpWorld|WhatsUpWorld]] ([[User talk:WhatsUpWorld|talk]]) 21:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I looked very quickly at the page section and the 2017 source. It did not seem to match to me; third place has been moved to fifth in the article, fourth to third and an apparent 'oddity' inserted at fourth. That's as far as I had time to go into. {{ping|WhatsUpWorld}} you are quite welcome to correct the page in accordance with the source. [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 22:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::::The 2017 part of the article was changed as was its data (review part); I don't know how to revert all of it without spending one hour on it. [[User:WhatsUpWorld|WhatsUpWorld]] ([[User talk:WhatsUpWorld|talk]]) 22:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yes the offending edit was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_DJ_Magazine%27s_Top_100_DJs&diff=809267207&oldid=808874588 here]. Yes it's a lot of work to correct unless someone has the appropriate tools enabled. [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 22:10, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::What tools? May be I can help. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya]]([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]]) 02:24, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== TV Show Character Articles ==

At what point does a character from a TV show merit their own Wikipedia page? What if said show is ongoing? [[User:Justus et peccator|Justus et peccator]] ([[User talk:Justus et peccator|talk]]) 18:17, 14 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Justus et peccator|Justus et peccator]] ([[User talk:Justus et peccator#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justus et peccator|contribs]]) 18:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 
:As with any other subject, {{U|Justus et peccator}}, the criterion to decide whether there should be an article on the subject is nothing directly do to with what the subject does, or is, or is known as, but wholly to do with whether there is enough independent reliably published material on the subject to base an article on. If somebody has written an extended article specifically about the character in a reputable newspaper or magazine; or if several in-depth articles about the show contain more than just a sentence or two about the character, that might do it. Please see [[WP:GNG]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Wrongful Accusation ! ==

hello , i received a message accusing me of a violation that i had nothing to do with , the accusation was ' that i made an edit to "Ape". and to be sure NO ONE, and i mean no one , has used my devices to make such edits as Wikipedia has falsely accused me of .obviously someone has hacked and used my IP address to , as wiki says " make inappropriate and false edits to APE , i use and was planning on donating to Wikipedia but am retracting that plan until Wikipedia at least takes as much time to resolve this issue born of false accusations as they have to start it in the first place . — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chevy1981|Chevy1981]] ([[User talk:Chevy1981#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chevy1981|contribs]]) 20:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

:Hi, it's possible that you may have a [[dynamic IP address]] that means your IP address may well have changed to another user who added the vandalism to that page. Feel free to disregard any messages that are not relevant to yourself. In cases such as this, account creation is encouraged to avoid erroneous messages, which I see you have now done. This should prevent any further messages regarding other user's edits from being posted on your talk page Hope this helps. [[User:Kosack|Kosack]] ([[User talk:Kosack|talk]]) 20:25, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:The same thing happened to me today, and I was puzzled until I realised that I wasn't logged in. Now that you have created an account, the problem can't happen again as long as you log in, and the message will not be associated with you. [[User:Dbfirs|''Dbfirs'']] 20:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::As is usual ' wiki has proved itself a champion to public discourse and was more than expedient in resolving this issue! donations are back on course . Thanks a million .— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chevy1981|Chevy1981]] ([[User talk:Chevy1981#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chevy1981|contribs]]) 14 November 2017 20:51 (UTC)

== English or British ==

Hello,

On the [[Dua Lipa]] article, user SnapSnap keeps reverting my edits: she is a British singer, not an English one (see [[British nationality law]]). Can someone other than me replace English by British in the catch phrase? Thanks

[[User:WhatsUpWorld|WhatsUpWorld]] ([[User talk:WhatsUpWorld|talk]]) 21:58, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:This is a long-term thorny issue (with many other artists). Don't get into an edit-war over it. As I understand it, unless she has stated at some point that she considers herself English rather than British, we should go with British as nationality. [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 22:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:As a content dispute, it should be resolved by discussion with the other editor, preferably at the article talk page. [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 22:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sutcliffe Jugend ==

Hi,
I play in a band called Sutcliffe Jugend.
In the pictures on your website is a picture of the cassette called White Power and a Nazi symbol.
We had nothing to do with that cassette, a track was put on without our permission, back in 1982. This does not represent the band or our political feelings, plus the picture of ripper victims.
This is a gross misrepresentation of the band.
We have children and do not want them to see this.
We play noise/industrial music.
We tackle extreme topics, but do not glorify in any way.. we do the opposite if you listen to the words.

Please amend this misrepresentation.

Kind Regards
Paul Taylor — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/5.65.175.251|5.65.175.251]] ([[User talk:5.65.175.251#top|talk]]) 22:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

:Hello, Paul. We have over five million articles: which are you referring to? There is no image in the article [[Sutcliffe Jügend]] (and it hasn't been edited for over a year).
:[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's [[Knowledge Graph]] uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::A problem with Google Image search and their Knowledge Graph, and it is notoriously hard to get Google to change them, no one knows who to contact. They need to have an ombudsman. The problem appears to be that someone made a mix tape that contains one of their songs and the cover of the mix tape has a swastika on it. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 05:41, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Help with possibly advanced text editing ==

Hi, I would like the place words on top of each other. Take this piece of text:

17 86 CO 80 37 32 56
Read Words KONA 3 6 Read Letters S D

Is it possible to place 17 atop Read, 86 above KONA, CO above 3, 80 above 6, 37 above Read Letters, 32 above S and 56 above D.
I could put them in a table, so they are in tabular format, but is there another way to format them.

thanks.
[[User:Scope creep|scope_creep]] ([[User talk:Scope creep|talk]]) 22:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Scope creep}}. You ''might'' be able to do something with [[tab character|tabs]], but really, that is what tables are designed for. Note that you can customise the layout of tables, so for example the cell boundaries can be hidden. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]], I will give it a try. How do your do it though? [[User:Scope creep|scope_creep]] ([[User talk:Scope creep|talk]]) 08:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Scope creep}} There's three ways you can do it. The first two are tables (see:[[Help:Table]]), The third is called [[WP:Latex|LaTex]]. The code for each is in the collapsed text.

===No border===
{|
|-
| style="text-align: center| 17
| style="text-align: center| 86
| style="text-align: center| Co
| style="text-align: center| 80
| style="text-align: center| 37
| style="text-align: center| 32
| style="text-align: center| 56
|-
| style="text-align: center| Read
| style="text-align: center| Kona
| style="text-align: center| 3
| style="text-align: center| 6
| style="text-align: center| Read Letters
| style="text-align: center| S
| style="text-align: center| D
|}

{{collapse top|title=With border}}
<pre><nowiki>{|
|-
| style="text-align: center| 17
| style="text-align: center| 86
| style="text-align: center| Co
| style="text-align: center| 80
| style="text-align: center| 37
| style="text-align: center| 32
| style="text-align: center| 56
|-
| style="text-align: center| Read
| style="text-align: center| Kona
| style="text-align: center| 3
| style="text-align: center| 6
| style="text-align: center| Read Letters
| style="text-align: center| S
| style="text-align: center| D
|}</nowiki></pre>
{{collapse bottom}}

===With border===
{|class="wikitable"
|-
| style="text-align: center| 17
| style="text-align: center| 86
| style="text-align: center| Co
| style="text-align: center| 80
| style="text-align: center| 37
| style="text-align: center| 32
| style="text-align: center| 56
|-
| style="text-align: center| Read
| style="text-align: center| Kona
| style="text-align: center| 3
| style="text-align: center| 6
| style="text-align: center| Read Letters
| style="text-align: center| S
| style="text-align: center| D
|}
{{collapse top|title=No border}}
<pre><nowiki>{|class="wikitable"
|-
| style="text-align: center| 17
| style="text-align: center| 86
| style="text-align: center| Co
| style="text-align: center| 80
| style="text-align: center| 37
| style="text-align: center| 32
| style="text-align: center| 56
|-
| style="text-align: center| Read
| style="text-align: center| Kona
| style="text-align: center| 3
| style="text-align: center| 6
| style="text-align: center| Read Letters
| style="text-align: center| S
| style="text-align: center| D
|}</nowiki></pre>
{{collapse bottom}}

===LaTex===
<math>
\begin{matrix}
17 & 86 & Co & 80 & 37 & 32 & 56\\
Read & Kona & 3 & 6 & Read\ Letters & S & D
\end{matrix}
</math>
{{collapse top|title=LaTex}}
<pre><nowiki><math>
\begin{matrix}
17 & 86 & Co & 80 & 37 & 32 & 56\\
Read & Kona & 3 & 6 & Read\ Letters & S & D
\end{matrix}
</math></nowiki></pre>
{{collapse bottom}}
- [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 10:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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